Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 Revelation 1111:1 Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there,2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.5 And if anyone would harm them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their foes. If anyone would harm them, this is how he is doomed to be killed.6 They have the power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague, as often as they desire.7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that rises from the bottomless pit will make war on them and conquer them and kill them,8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.9 For three and a half days some from the peoples and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and refuse to let them be placed in a tomb, 10 and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth. 11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them. Do LDS believe that two prophets will preach for 1,260 days (42 months, 3 1/2 years) in and around Jerusalem? Will these be two LDS prophets?
ERayR Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 Revelation 1111:1 Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there,2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.5 And if anyone would harm them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their foes. If anyone would harm them, this is how he is doomed to be killed.6 They have the power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague, as often as they desire.7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that rises from the bottomless pit will make war on them and conquer them and kill them,8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.9 For three and a half days some from the peoples and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and refuse to let them be placed in a tomb, 10 and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth. 11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them. Do LDS believe that two prophets will preach for 1,260 days (42 months, 3 1/2 years) in and around Jerusalem? Will these be two LDS prophets? Yup.
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 I think that would be correct..But Non Mormon Israelites do not hold the true priesthood. So why do you think that this is speaking about them?
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 Yup.The current LDS prophet along with another prophet who will live in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years?
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 CanadaiguaDo LDS believe that two prophets will preach for 1,260 days (42 months, 3 1/2 years) in and around Jerusalem? Will these be two LDS prophets? ERayRYup.Since this is the case then you don't believe that Jesus could come back at any time since the two prophets have not arrived on the scene and when they do you know that you have at least 3 1/2 years to go. Correct?
ERayR Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 But Non Mormon Israelites do not hold the true priesthood. So why do you think that this is speaking about them? I'll let you find the answer yourself. Hint: The sons of Levi hold an hereditary authority to perform these sacrifices.
ERayR Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 The current LDS prophet along with another prophet who will live in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years?Not necessarily.
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 I'll let you find the answer yourself. Hint: The sons of Levi hold an hereditary authority to perform these sacrifices.But the LDS quotes say that animal sacrifices will be part of the restoration.
ERayR Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 Since this is the case then you don't believe that Jesus could come back at any time since the two prophets have not arrived on the scene and when they do you know that you have at least 3 1/2 years to go. Correct? It would seem so unless the two were already there . We have no evidence that they are or are not there now.
ERayR Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 But the LDS quotes say that animal sacrifices will be part of the restoration. No they really don't. They only say that it will be restored.
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 No they really don't. They only say that it will be restored. http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/AnimalSacrificesFuture.pdf "Future Animal Blood Sacrifice""Sacrifice to Be Part of Restoration"
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) It would seem so unless the two were already there . We have no evidence that they are or are not there now.If there are two LDS prophets in Jerusalem now (as described in Revelation 11) don't you think you would be aware of this fact? Or are these two LDS prophets stealth like and nobody knows that they are there? Edited September 9, 2014 by Canadaigua
mfbukowski Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Vol.3, SACRIFICE IN BIBLICAL TIMESThe Bible prophet Malachi predicted a time when Levites would again offer sacrifice in righteousness (Mal. 3:3). Such offerings will not be of the Mosaic type, which were fulfilled in Christ. However, the sacrificial system that antedated Moses was not fulfilled in Jesus. The Prophet Joseph Smith, taught that blood sacrifices similar to those revealed to Adam will once again be performed prior to Christ's second coming in order to complete the restoration of all things (TPJS, pp. 172-73; DS 3:94-95). These may be undertaken for only a brief period and perhaps only by a selected group. Still repeating the same stuff without answering me. I don't think you will find that productive. Plugging your ears and saying the same thing louder is rather childish, don't you think? 2
ERayR Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/AnimalSacrificesFuture.pdf "Future Animal Blood Sacrifice""Sacrifice to Be Part of Restoration" Don't you read what you are linking to?Bottom of page 1 column 1, Joseph Fielding Smith: "It will be necessary, therefore, for the sons of Levi, who offered the blood sacrifices anciently in Israel, to offer such a sacrifice again . . .
ERayR Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 If there are two LDS prophets in Jerusalem now (as described in Revelation 11) don't you think you would be aware of this fact? Or are these two LDS prophets stealth like and nobody knows that they are there? Are you living in Israel and know everything that is going on there?
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 Still repeating the same stuff without answering me. I don't think you will find that productive. Plugging your ears and saying the same thing louder is rather childish, don't you thinkPerhaps you could clarify what you believe on this matter. Will animal sacrifices be restored as part of the "restoration"?
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 Don't you read what you are linking to?Bottom of page 1 column 1, Joseph Fielding Smith: "It will be necessary, therefore, for the sons of Levi, who offered the blood sacrifices anciently in Israel, to offer such a sacrifice again . . .I did read what I linked to--did you? Are animal sacrifices part of the restoration according to the linked references?
ERayR Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 I did read what I linked to--did you? Are animal sacrifices part of the restoration according to the linked references? Asked and answered see post # 135 and post #139
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 Asked and answered see post # 135 and post #139So part of the "Restoration" includes things that are done by those who do not hold the true priesthood?
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 Are you living in Israel and know everything that is going on there?No I don't live in Israel. I take it from your response that you believe that the 2 witnesses could be preaching now as we speak and continue to do so for the next 3 1/2 years and this while nobody seems to know that this is taking place?
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 Since you believe that NON LDS Jews (those who do not hold the true priesthood) are responsible for the animal sacrifices (part of the LDS restoration) you must also believe that the Jews will rebuild their temple on the Temple Mount prior to the Second Coming of Christ. Is that a fair assessment of what you believe? Stop the Twenty Questions game. If you do not immediately respond to the questions asked of you this thread will be closed.
ERayR Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 No I don't live in Israel. I take it from your response that you believe that the 2 witnesses could be preaching now as we speak and continue to do so for the next 3 1/2 years and this while nobody seems to know that this is taking place? The LDS Church has 80,000 missionaries spread across the world and their efforts rarely make the news let alone the front page.
ERayR Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 Since you believe that NON LDS Jews (those who do not hold the true priesthood) are responsible for the animal sacrifices (part of the LDS restoration) you must also believe that the Jews will rebuild their temple on the Temple Mount prior to the Second Coming of Christ. Is that a fair assessment of what you believe? A reasonable assumption, however, It need not be to the scale of Solomon's temple. If the rumors are correct the orthodox Jews have everything ready, some of it prefab, to build when the opportunity arrives, It could go up quite rapidly.
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 The LDS Church has 80,000 missionaries spread across the world and their efforts rarely make the news let alone the front page. But we are not talking about LDS missionaries. We are speaking about the two witnesses of Revelation. Do you really believe that their 3 1/2 years will be stealth--such that not a single person has heard or spoken about them?
Canadaigua Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 A reasonable assumption, however, It need not be to the scale of Solomon's temple. If the rumors are correct the orthodox Jews have everything ready, some of it prefab, to build when the opportunity arrives, It could go up quite rapidly.And you would agree that this rebuilt Temple (prior to the Second Coming) will have nothing whatsoever to do with the LDS church--based on what you have said up to this point. Agree?
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