The Nehor Posted August 20, 2014 Posted August 20, 2014 Just ponder and think some more about the law of consecration that you agreed to in the temple. You remember and realize what you agreed to then, don't you? Use all that you have and all that God may yet give you, using it to build up the kingdom of God, and if or when you determine that you have more than you need you can give the excess to others through your bishop. And yes your bishop can also help you if you need help by opening either his storehouse or the windows of heaven. I understand that that is the best way we have to live the Law of Consecration right now but it is not the whole law. The Temple also specifies where the law is recorded and I cannot follow all the instructions contained therein as the church currently operates. God is okay with this for now and my doing the best I can. We as a people are of course losing blessings for not being judged able to live the law fully now but I hope and pray that will one day change.
Ahab Posted August 20, 2014 Posted August 20, 2014 The Temple also specifies where the law is recorded and I cannot follow all the instructions contained therein as the church currently operates.Explain please. As I see things nobody (but me) is holding me back from living the law perfectly now. If or when I need assistance I can get the help I need through my bishop and if or when I have excess I can give it to others through him. What exactly do you think is holding us back?
Jeanne Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 Every principle? Every covenant and every promise seems to have change even if only slightly. In my 40 years of activity, I would understand God and eternal promises one decade and sometimes it would change the next. Someone help me understand that a never changing and yet ever changing gospel is not conflicting. Regards,Jeanne
JLHPROF Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 Every principle? Every covenant and every promise seems to have change even if only slightly. In my 40 years of activity, I would understand God and eternal promises one decade and sometimes it would change the next. Someone help me understand that a never changing and yet ever changing gospel is not conflicting. Regards,Jeanne Because God doesn't change, God's law doesn't change, God's covenants don't change. But man will change the things of God, sometime only in administration and sometimes in substance.The gospel doesn't change, but sometimes we change the gospel. We're only human after all.
Calm Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 Every principle? Every covenant and every promise seems to have change even if only slightly. In my 40 years of activity, I would understand God and eternal promises one decade and sometimes it would change the next. Someone help me understand that a never changing and yet ever changing gospel is not conflicting. Regards,JeanneIt is not called "new and everlasting" for nothing.
Jeanne Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 I understand alittle better now which is why I come here. Thanks so much.
Calm Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 Remember how the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath...some rigidity is needed to teach, but to keep it meaning to me n's changing culture, it needs to change in order to inspire the same thing.
The Nehor Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 Explain please. As I see things nobody (but me) is holding me back from living the law perfectly now. If or when I need assistance I can get the help I need through my bishop and if or when I have excess I can give it to others through him. What exactly do you think is holding us back?The whole organization set up in the D&C set up to administer the Law of Consecration does not exist. I do not consecrate (give) everything I own to the Bishop and receive a stewardship as instructed. I do not give all my surplus and in fact am commanded not to. My Bishop would rightly judge me to be foolish if I saved absolutely nothing. Receiving things from the Bishop should be fairly regular as needed under consecration whereas now it is something you do only when under financial duress.
Ahab Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 The whole organization set up in the D&C set up to administer the Law of Consecration does not exist. I do not consecrate (give) everything I own to the Bishop and receive a stewardship as instructed. I do not give all my surplus and in fact am commanded not to. My Bishop would rightly judge me to be foolish if I saved absolutely nothing. Receiving things from the Bishop should be fairly regular as needed under consecration whereas now it is something you do only when under financial duress.I think you're thinking about what was involved in united order and confusing that with the law of consecration. I'm talking about living the law of consecration and how we can achieve the same results they strived for but failed to achieve with the united order.
The Nehor Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 I think you're thinking about what was involved in united order and confusing that with the law of consecration. I'm talking about living the law of consecration and how we can achieve the same results they strived for but failed to achieve with the united order.The United Order was the implementation. Full consecration requires some kind of organization directed by the priesthood to implement. We as a people failed and it was removed as a punishment/mercy. Until God lets us try again we are stuck with the partial implementation. 1
Ahab Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 The United Order was the implementation. Full consecration requires some kind of organization directed by the priesthood to implement. We as a people failed and it was removed as a punishment/mercy. Until God lets us try again we are stuck with the partial implementation.We don't need to wait for another attempt to live the "united order" before we can live the law of consecration, though, and we can achieve the same ultimate goal by just living the law of consecration.
The Nehor Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 We don't need to wait for another attempt to live the "united order" before we can live the law of consecration, though, and we can achieve the same ultimate goal by just living the law of consecration.We can be exalted by doing the best we have with what we can and becoming able to live the law in its fullness.We are not blessed as we would be if we were living in a United Order type society as we should. Such is the price of wickedness. 1
Ahab Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) We can be exalted by doing the best we have with what we can and becoming able to live the law in its fullness.We are not blessed as we would be if we were living in a United Order type society as we should. Such is the price of wickedness.Okay, finally, I agree with everything you just said.Now if we would only agree with each other, and our Father, all of the time. Edited August 21, 2014 by Ahab
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