Guest Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 Really? I say again, who is the Godhead in the temple? And who is in that third witness/testator position after Elohim and Jehovah?The Holy Ghost, which is not Lucifer or Joseph Smith. In John it plainly teaches that, Jesus speaks only the words of the Father and the Holy Spirit speaks only the words of Christ without so much as a how do you do.
Tsuzuki Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 Then you are wrong and relying on opinion. Santa is a loser and a beggar and certainly not the Holy Ghost. Saying so is blasphemy pure and simple.I never said Santa was the Holy Ghost, though I wouldn't call him a beggar (unless you count the milk and cookies). He gives everyone in the world presents and Christmas cheer.Also what I say in this post is NOT opinion, but gospel. So please, CFR or stop."Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem: cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris:" - 2 Peter 1:19
Tsuzuki Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) *double post* Edited August 15, 2014 by Tsuzuki
Guest Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 I never said Santa was the Holy Ghost, though I wouldn't call him a beggar (unless you count the milk and cookies). He gives everyone in the world presents and Christmas cheer."Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem: cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris:" - 2 Peter 1:19so attack a misspell instead of instead of discussion...despite my spelling, you know what I saying. Also did not know you could use a language when posting. What is you point here suggesting Satan is a member of the Godhead?
Tsuzuki Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 so attack a misspell instead of instead of discussion...despite my spelling, you know what I saying. Also did not know you could use a language when posting. What is you point here suggesting Satan is a member of the Godhead?I'm suggesting that Lucifer is a member of the Godhead, as per 2 Peter 1:19. If you want to insist that Lucifer is Satan, then I guess that makes Satan a member of the Godhead, but I'm not attached to the idea.
JLHPROF Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) The Holy Ghost, which is not Lucifer or Joseph Smith. In John it plainly teaches that, Jesus speaks only the words of the Father and the Holy Spirit speaks only the words of Christ without so much as a how do you do. And who brought more words of Christ to man than any other? Joseph SmithWho was visited by the father and the son and bore witness of them? Joseph SmithWho sealed his testimony of God and Jesus with his blood? Joseph Smith No other being in the history of the world has been more qualified to be known as the Witness and Testator. So until someone more qualified shows up I'll stick with Joseph. (And you may want to check who is the third member of the Godhead in the temple). Edited August 15, 2014 by JLHPROF
Tsuzuki Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 If Joseph Smith is the Holy Ghost, then Joseph Smith is Lucifer.
Guest Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 If Joseph Smith is the Holy Ghost, then Joseph Smith is Lucifer.Got some more posts; so Scripture and teachings in the Temple are all lies. Since the Holy Spirit teaches us, does that mean you feel you have received a revelation? Because not a Church on earth that claims to be Christian teaches this nonsense.
Tsuzuki Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 Got some more posts; so Scripture and teachings in the Temple are all lies. Since the Holy Spirit teaches us, does that mean you feel you have received a revelation? Because not a Church on earth that claims to be Christian teaches this nonsense.Way to discount various gnostic traditions that are still alive today and part of Christianity. This isn't something that I invented.
Guest Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 Way to discount various gnostic traditions that are still alive today and part of Christianity. This isn't something that I invented.Sad?
Tacenda Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 I'm sticking to my story. There are three Gods in one. The physical one who came to earth God. The Spirit in heaven God and the spirit on earth one that can dwell inside us. One God, three purposes. Satan is probably made up to scare us. Hah, I said it, let the wrath on my soul begin!! 1
teddyaware Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 I'm sticking to my story. There are three Gods in one. The physical one who came to earth God. The Spirit in heaven God and the spirit on earth one that can dwell inside us. One God, three purposes. Satan is probably made up to scare us. Hah, I said it, let the wrath on my soul begin!!I'll take you up on it... Looks like there's been a bit of "whispering" going on?19 For the kingdom of the devil must shake, and they which belong to it must needs be stirred up unto repentance, or the devil will grasp them with his everlasting chains, and they be stirred up to anger, and perish;20 For behold, at that day shall he rage in the hearts of the children of men, and stir them up to anger against that which is good.21 And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.22 And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance. (2 Nephi 28)
Tsuzuki Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 I'm sticking to my story. There are three Gods in one. The physical one who came to earth God. The Spirit in heaven God and the spirit on earth one that can dwell inside us. One God, three purposes. Satan is probably made up to scare us. Hah, I said it, let the wrath on my soul begin!!As long as the spirit of God on Earth is called Lucifer, I'm cool with it.
Guest Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) And who brought more words of Christ to man than any other? Joseph SmithWho was visited by the father and the son and bore witness of them? Joseph SmithWho sealed his testimony of God and Jesus with his blood? Joseph SmithNo other being in the history of the world has been more qualified to be known as the Witness and Testator. So until someone more qualified shows up I'll stick with Joseph.(And you may want to check who is the third member of the Godhead in the temple).In answer to your questions....Moses and many have sealed there testimonies with their blood start with Stephen and a number of Apostles, members of the Church. Brother or Sister repent before it is too late. Joseph Smith was the first Apostle of this dispensation, and nothing more. Your beliefs on this matter is in direct opposition of the Church. Oh and Moses wrote more scripture...far more. Edited August 17, 2014 by Pa Pa
Guest Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 As long as the spirit of God on Earth is called Lucifer, I'm cool with it.I am not sure why this blasphemy is being allowed, as anyone who has been through the Temple is a lie, but I am not a mod, and cannot stop it.
Tsuzuki Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 I am not sure why this blasphemy is being allowed, as anyone who has been through the Temple is a lie, but I am not a mod, and cannot stop it.He's called "Lucifer" in the Latin version of 2 Peter 1:19, which is a literal translation from the original Greek "phōsphoros." If that's blasphemy, then Peter is guilty of it. We don't speak Latin. Clean it up if you want to stay.
Tsuzuki Posted August 17, 2014 Posted August 17, 2014 We don't speak Latin. Clean it up if you want to stay.Can I talk about relevant esoteric ideas that have developed over centuries, or is that out of bounds? This is a serious question. I don't want to violate board rules, but this is something that I believe strongly, and I would like to be treated the same as if I were arguing in favor of the Trinity, for example. Or is that out of bounds now too?
JLHPROF Posted August 17, 2014 Posted August 17, 2014 In answer to your questions....Moses and many have sealed there testimonies with their blood start with Stephen and a number of Apostles, members of the Church. Brother or Sister repent before it is too late. Joseph Smith was the first Apostle of this dispensation, and nothing more. Your beliefs on this matter is in direct opposition of the Church. Oh and Moses wrote more scripture...far more. Moses wrote more scripture, but Joseph Smith revealed more of the words of Christ and Heavenly Father, more "Thus Saith The Lord" than "It Came To Pass" scriptures. Joseph Smith was SO much more than just the first prophet of the dispensation. If you believe that's all he is (and D&C 135 tells you where he ranks among men) you both misunderstand what a dispensation is and you fail to understand the actual position Joseph Smith was called to.While my PERSONAL belief concerning Joseph and the Holy Ghost may be against Church doctrine, even the Church doesn't teach that Joseph is just a prophet like all his successors. They understand the significance of being head of one of the 7 grand dispensations.
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