What The Church Dna Essay Teaches Us

[Rob Osborn]

Actually, there are people that still believe the Earth is flat.

There are people (even a scientist) that believes smoking does not cause cancer. 

Some people believe the universe is only 10 thousand years old, including a astrophysicist Dr. Jason Lisle. 

 

Denying Evolution, is like denying that the sun is the center of the solar system, because of the scientific evidence. 

and please see the video. 

First off, the video is horrible. He rambles on and on about nothing and never does make any point to it. That said, Ken Ham destroyed Bill Nye in that debate and everyone knows it.

Denying evolution of all life from common descent is a process of logic. There is no evidence that all life has a common ancestor. All the evolution evidence only points to one thing and that is precisely what Ken Ham brought up in the debate- that species vary because of genes. Your brand of evolution which is not observed nor is documented nor testable depends on an untrue and untested process of intelligence coming about because of random mutations. There will come a time when evolutionists will be seen as the new flat earth society.

[MormonFreeThinker]

All the evolution evidence only points to one thing and that is precisely what Ken Ham brought up in the debate- that species vary because of genes. Your brand of evolution which is not observed nor is documented nor testable depends on an untrue and untested process of intelligence coming about because of random mutations. There will come a time when evolutionists will be seen as the new flat earth society.

 

So we agree that the Fox, the Chihuahua, and the Wolf have the same common ancestor.  

So according to Ken ham, Evolution happened in less than 5,000 years. 

 

Elder Tamage, Elder Widtsoe, and Henry Irving believed that the Earth is old, and death before the fall. 

"These lived and died, age after age, while the earth was yet unfit for human habitation"-- Elder Talmage

 

So, if microevolution happens quickly, imagine what can happen in 10 million years? 100 million years?  

 

Simple logic 

 

"random mutations."

Well, if God used Evolution to create life, then it was not random, only random in our perspective. 

Edited May 13, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker

[Rob Osborn]

So we agree that the Fox, the Chihuahua, and the Wolf have the same common ancestor.  

So according to Ken ham, Evolution happened in less than 5,000 years. 

 

Elder Tamage, Elder Widtsoe, and Henry Irving believed that the Earth is old, and death before the fall. 

"These lived and died, age after age, while the earth was yet unfit for human habitation"-- Elder Talmage

 

So, if microevolution happens quickly, imagine what can happen in 10 million years? 100 million years?  

 

Simple logic 

 

"random mutations."

Well, if God used Evolution to create life, then it was not random, only random in our perspective.

I highly doubt you aspire to Intelligent Design theory.

[ERayR]

So we agree that the Fox, the Chihuahua, and the Wolf have the same common ancestor.  

So according to Ken ham, Evolution happened in less than 5,000 years. 

 

Elder Tamage, Elder Widtsoe, and Henry Irving believed that the Earth is old, and death before the fall. 

"These lived and died, age after age, while the earth was yet unfit for human habitation"-- Elder Talmage

 

So, if microevolution happens quickly, imagine what can happen in 10 million years? 100 million years?  

 

Simple logic 

 

"random mutations."

Well, if God used Evolution to create life, then it was not random, only random in our perspective. 

 

I issued a CFR back in post # 121.  Please answer it.

[thesometimesaint]

You just can't help yourself can you? 

 

OK so hear it is CFR that Denying Evolution, is like denying that the sun is the center of the solar system,

 

You and a couple of others are arrogant enough to think that anybody who does not wholly believe your view are ignorant of the science.  You ridicule and bully by insinuating they are flat earthers, etc. 

 

Come on there is room for others to entertain intelligent views other than your own.  This goes for extremists from both the science club and the Bible club.

 

What is a reasonably intelligent compromise between no death anywhere on this planet before 7000 years ago, and death being present for over a billion  years?

 

What is a reasonably intelligent compromise between a geocentric solar system and a heliocentric one?

[ERayR]

What is a reasonably intelligent compromise between no death anywhere on this planet before 7000 years ago, and death being present for over a billion  years?

 

What is a reasonably intelligent compromise between a geocentric solar system and a heliocentric one?

 

I have never believed there was no death on the earth before the Garden of Eden, at least not since going to the temple.  The question is what or who was dying and what the death sentence in the Garden of Eden was. 

 

You've got me on the second.  I just haven't thought that was too important to me.

 

Are those the only two questions that bother you? 

 

By the way I am still waiting for Mormonfreethinker to answer the CFR of retract.

Edited May 13, 2014 by ERayR

[thesometimesaint]

I have never believed there was no death on the earth before the Garden of Eden, at least not since going to the temple.  The question is what or who was dying and what the death sentence in the Garden of Eden was. 

 

You've got me on the second.  I just haven't thought that was too important to me.

 

Are those the only two questions that bother you? 

 

By the way I am still waiting for Mormonfreethinker to answer the CFR of retract.

 

I'm fine with the GoE being a special place apart from the lone and dreary world. so I believe those that posit the entire world are incorrect. I agree that it has no bearing on my testimony.

 

No; there are other questions. But I have no real interest in pursuing them at this time.

 

I'll let Mormonfreethinker answer the CFR, but this a free forum where anyone can answer. I'm sure if he disagrees he'll let us know.

[MormonFreeThinker]

First off, the video is horrible. He rambles on and on about nothing and never does make any point to it. That said, Ken Ham destroyed Bill Nye in that debate and everyone knows it.

 

Henry Eyring was "was elected to the National Academy of Sciences in 1945 and became president of the American Chemical Society in 1963 and of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 1965. In 1966, he received the National Medal of Science for his development of the absolute rate or transition state theory of chemical reactions, one of the most important achievements in 20th-century chemistry" He almost received a Nobel Price. 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865590021/Henry-Eyring-exemplified-both-science-and-faith.html?pg=all

 

Henry Eyring, father of an apostle of the Lord, wrote, "The radioactive clocks, together with the orderly way many sediments containing fossils are laid down, prove that the earth is billions of years old. In my judgment, anyone who denies this orderly deposition of sediments with their built in radioactive clocks places himself in a scientifically untenable position. Actually the antiquity of the earth was no problem for one of our greatest Latter-day Saints and leaders and scientists, Brother John A. Widtsoe (see Evidences and Reconciliations, Volume I). It also offers not the slightest difficulty to me and to most of my scientific LDS friends"  

Letter to Adam S. Benion (1954)

 

He also said, "Whether the mortal bodies of man evolved in natural processes to present perfection, through the direction and power of God; whether the first parents of our generations, Adam and Eve, were transplanted from another sphere, with immortal tabernacles, which became corrupted through sin and the partaking of natural foods, in the process of time; whether they were born here in mortality, as other mortals have been, are questions not fully answered in the revealed word of God" 

Improvement Era 13 no. 4

 

100 Million years of micro-evolution = Macro-Evolution = No Global FLood

Edited May 16, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker

[Rob Osborn]

Henry Eyring was "was elected to the National Academy of Sciences in 1945 and became president of the American Chemical Society in 1963 and of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 1965. In 1966, he received the National Medal of Science for his development of the absolute rate or transition state theory of chemical reactions, one of the most important achievements in 20th-century chemistry" He almost received a Nobel Price. 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865590021/Henry-Eyring-exemplified-both-science-and-faith.html?pg=all

 

Henry Eyring, father of an apostle of the Lord, wrote, "The radioactive clocks, together with the orderly way many sediments containing fossils are laid down, prove that the earth is billions of years old. In my judgment, anyone who denies this orderly deposition of sediments with their built in radioactive clocks places himself in a scientifically untenable position. Actually the antiquity of the earth was no problem for one of our greatest Latter-day Saints and leaders and scientists, Brother John A. Widtsoe (see Evidences and Reconciliations, Volume I). It also offers not the slightest difficulty to me and to most of my scientific LDS friends"  

Letter to Adam S. Benion (1954)

 

He also said, "Whether the mortal bodies of man evolved in natural processes to present perfection, through the direction and power of God; whether the first parents of our generations, Adam and Eve, were transplanted from another sphere, with immortal tabernacles, which became corrupted through sin and the partaking of natural foods, in the process of time; whether they were born here in mortality, as other mortals have been, are questions not fully answered in the revealed word of God" 

Improvement Era 13 no. 4

 

100 Million years of micro-evolution = Macro-Evolution = No Global FLood

Thats a very nice opinion.

[MormonFreeThinker]

Thats a very nice opinion.

 

We don't like the Theory of Evolution, I want Young Earth Creationism to be real science, but the evidence points to Evolution and not to a Global Flood.  

 

We are objective, you are not being objective.

What scientific evidence would convince you that Evolution happened? or that there was no global flood?

Edited May 16, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker

[Rob Osborn]

We don't like the Theory of Evolution, I want Young Earth Creationism to be real science, but the evidence points to Evolution and not to a Global Flood.  

 

We are objective, you are not being objective.

What scientific evidence would convince you that Evolution happened? or that there was no global flood?

For starters you would have to destroy all traces of the scriptures, religion and then brainwash me into believing they never existed. The next step would be to actually find proof of actual transitional fossils that showed very gradually over time small changes leading slowly into new species. The next thing to do would be to completely get rid of the watery laid sedimentary layers all over the globe that constantly witness the flood really happened. Thus, you will never convince me. The evidence is staggering that there was a global flood and this being the case, the evidence for evolution is really just evidence of the flood. Heres the bottom line-

If there was a global flood then there has to be sedimentary layers all over the world with millions and millions of fossils in them. And if this be the case, then there can be no proof of evolution. It just so happens this is precisely what we see- evidence of a global flood.

Edited May 17, 2014 by Rob Osborn

[readstoomuch]

This discussion just keeps going around in circles. There are lots of lds that believe evolution happened, but still believe in Gospel. Count me in that group. Nuf said.

[MormonFreeThinker]

If there was a global flood then there has to be sedimentary layers all over the world with millions and millions of fossils in them. And if this be the case, then there can be no proof of evolution. It just so happens this is precisely what we see- evidence of a global flood.

 

So you and your creation friends know more than all the biologists, geneticist, and paleontologists? 

[Rob Osborn]

So you and your creation friends know more than all the biologists, geneticist, and paleontologists?

Apparently. You make it sound like we are a group of crackpots. We have our own scientists, biologists, geologists, etcwho have published a myriad of professional works concerning the nature of the flood and how evolution is wrong.

[thesometimesaint]

Noah got two of these on his boat.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/17/largest-ever-paleontologists-find-90-million-year-old-fossil-that-belonged-to-80-ton-dinosaur/

[thesometimesaint]

Apparently. You make it sound like we are a group of crackpots. We have our own scientists, biologists, geologists, etcwho have published a myriad of professional works concerning the nature of the flood and how evolution is wrong.

 

I eagerly await to see those "professional works" in the pages of Nature, Science, and the Proceedings of the NAAS.

[Rob Osborn]

I eagerly await to see those "professional works" in the pages of Nature, Science, and the Proceedings of the NAAS.

So do we all. It will come in a day of acceptance. Lots of prayers and patience but we shall get there.

[halconero]

Is this your motivation, Rob? Is it?!

 

http://extrafabulouscomics.com/comic/158/

Edited May 18, 2014 by halconero

[thesometimesaint]

So do we all. It will come in a day of acceptance. Lots of prayers and patience but we shall get there.

 

That's fine with me. But it does open up whole new area's for nice long conversations with God