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Sunday School And A Worldwide Flood (Pt.3)

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MichelleD Enthusiast

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:rofl:

That's funny. Of course not.

I know that seems like a silly question but I've wondered about that too. If they weren't taken, why not? I've read different theories online and they vary. Edited by MichelleD
JLHPROF Grand Master

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I know that seems like a silly question but I've wondered about that. If they weren't taken, why not? I've read different theories online and they vary.

 

I personally hold to this one from Joseph Smith, although I know "science" says it's not possible.  But since we really don't know, but it's pretty certain that dinosaurs were not contemporary with man perhaps pieces of the earth really are older than 6000 years.  ;)

 

 

The world and earth are not synonymous terms. The world is the human family. This earth was organized or formed out of other planets which were broke up and remodeled and made into the one on which we live. The elements are eternal. That which has a beginning will surely have an end. Take a ring, it is without beginning or end; cut it for a beginning place, and at the same time you have an ending place.  - Joseph Smith

JLHPROF Grand Master

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I followed the link and it states that the church takes no official on this issue. But there are some interesting quotes, so thank you for it.

So, what is your belief? When were dinosaurs on the earth?

If you believe they existed on this earth, when do you believe they became extinct?

 

I answered that in the post above (278).  I like Joseph's explanation, one of the options on the Fairmormon theory list - the pieces of previous planets belief.

I don't think they were ever "on the earth" in the way we think, but they were definitely on the earth at some point.

Rob Osborn Grand Master

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How do you know that? Other than scripture or your religious beliefs, have you any evidence? (I ask this because my views on this subject are changing). Thanks for any response.

The first thing one must do is to be open to ideas. Once one can be open to new ideas then a literal flood of evidence becomes all too apparent. I first want to give the greatest evidence as I see it and that is the case of transcontinental sedimentary layers. Here is a link- http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n3/transcontinental-rock-layers

This is a good place to start because it puts forth some of the greatest evidence for a global flood. Currently, nowhere on the planet do we see any sedimentary layers being laid of such magnitude. Even on the bottom of oceans where river outlest are there is some slight small sediment layers being laid but these are literally microscopic in comparison. With the amount of material involved in some of these transcontinental sedimentary layers it is physically impossible to lay down this much material in slow uniformatarian processes (like those happening today). There is only one single way this much material gets laid down across such vast areas and that is with a flood of global dimensions. Start there and I have lots of other evidences also.

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I know that seems like a silly question but I've wondered about that too. If they weren't taken, why not? I've read different theories online and they vary.

I think the dinosaurs were part of an older world that passed away that had nothing to do with Adam's world.

Not that the earth is made of parts of other worlds, but that the earth was inhabited before Adam but that world passed away, then the earth was prepared for the family of Adam.

JulieM Grand Master

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I answered that in the post above (278).  I like Joseph's explanation, one of the options on the Fairmormon theory list - the pieces of previous planets belief.

I don't think they were ever "on the earth" in the way we think, but they were definitely on the earth at some point.

What???

Well, I will look up your post (sorry, I haven't read through this thread and I should have before I posted). But the mental gymnastics you describe above is why I'm beginning to change my views on this topic. However, I respect everyone's right to believe what seems right for them.

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Rob Osborn Grand Master

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I have a question about the dinosaurs. Do those of you who believe in a global flood, believe that 2 of each kind of dinosaur was on the ark?

Yes, dinosaurs were taken on the ark. There are dragon stories from every culture. These "dragons" are dinosaurs and were killed off and went into extinction.

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Brian 2.0 Veteran

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How do you know that? Other than scripture or your religious beliefs, have you any evidence? (I ask this because my views on this subject are changing). Thanks for any response.

 

JulieM,

 

Just to offer you other sources since Rob has provided his.  Check out this link to counter his.  It's from a believing christian source explaning quite well that the sedimentary layers were formed over time (a long time) and not a single event like a global flood.  Plenty of scientific websites say the same thing, but I point this one out because some have accused scientists who believe these things as all being godless or atheists.  These are believers... both in scientific fact and God.

 

http://www.gci.org/science/burky1

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Yes, dinosaurs were taken on the ark. There are dragon stories from every culture. These "dragons" are dinosaurs and were killed off and went into extinction.

 

It's quotes like this that make me think that at page 100 of this thread you'll reveal that we've all been punk'd and you've been egging us on and don't actually believe what you wrote.

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Johnnie Cake Grand Master

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As Elder Oaks said...Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...therefore both a universal flood and an America populated by Nephites is true...how else did Lehi arrive in a land unknown to other nations. Geeez. Is so simple folks

Rob...I've got your back...universal flood all the way...evidence be damned

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Rob Osborn Grand Master

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It's quotes like this that make me think that at page 100 of this thread you'll reveal that we've all been punk'd and you've been egging us on and don't actually believe what you wrote.

Probably at page 100 we will all be conviced that dinosaurs and man walked together. That is if this post doesn't also go into extinction before then.

Brian 2.0 Veteran

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The fossil evidence alone is evidence of a world-wide catastrophic flood.

This is a no brainer.

Care to expand on that?

The fossil record shows a mass near-extinction event of all plant and animals followed by a restart of most of those same animals from a central point on earth where the ark would have landed?

Alan Veteran

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Care to expand on that?

The fossil record shows a mass near-extinction event of all plant and animals followed by a restart of most of those same animals from a central point on earth where the ark would have landed?

 

Interesting.

The fact that you think that the fossil record could show "a restart" suggests a lack of understanding of the conditions required to create fossil's.

Brian 2.0 Veteran

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Interesting.

The fact that you think that the fossil record could show "a restart" suggests a lack of understanding of the conditions required to create fossil's.

I'd still like to see your references on how the fossil record makers this issue a "no-brainer".

thesometimesaint Grand Master

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Yes, dinosaurs were taken on the ark. There are dragon stories from every culture. These "dragons" are dinosaurs and were killed off and went into extinction.

 

But not Unicorns, Satyrs, or Cockatrices.

ALarson Grand Master

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Yes, dinosaurs were taken on the ark.

Just how big do you think the ark was?  Do you know how enormous dinosaurs were?  You cannot be serious here. 

thesometimesaint Grand Master

thesometimesaint

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Just how big do you think the ark was?  Do you know how enormous dinosaurs were?  You cannot be serious here. 

 

From the Bible it was about the size of an American football field. The logistics alone make it an impossible event.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html#fitting

 

Feeding and caring for them is another problem.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html#caring

danielwoods Grand Master

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Yes, Jesus referenced that story. What makes you think he thought of it as a real history rather than a deeper teaching about the human condition?

 

To steal a line from a progressive rabbi, if a revelation leads to kindness, it's true. If it leads to the opposite, it's false. What does it matter whether the delivery mechanism (the story) is based on actual events?

 

I've been mistaken before, but you'd have to be awfully uncharitable to think that this somehow puts everything I've ever said into question. 

 

He did more than reference the story. He implied that they hadn't read their own history. "You don't know the scriptures or the power of God..." 

 

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

 

 

Notice that he rests his case on the fact of creation. Not a story. He didn't say... "long ago... far far away..." Rather he said. "Haven't you read, that at the beginning..."

danielwoods Grand Master

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The wood was encased in Basalt from a lava flow. For petrification to occur you need wood encased in sediment. Mineral laden water then seeps in and replaces the organic material.

 

So you're saying that wood can (in theory) last 45 million years?

danielwoods Grand Master

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Just how big do you think the ark was?  Do you know how enormous dinosaurs were?  You cannot be serious here. 

 

Why assume that adult dino's were on the ark? Noah could have had a bunch of eggs. 

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