Pope Francis Takes On Capitalism And Inequality

[The Nehor]

Oh, wait, I get it now. If God blesses you with wealth because you worked hard, YOU ARE BAD!!

And if God blesses you with poverty because you are lazy, YOU ARE GOOD!!!

I get it now.

 

You are abusing sarcasm, hyperbole, and your own dignity at the same time. Bravo!

[The Nehor]

 

It was and then the constitution was duly amended.

False, it was amended with the help of some nefarious activity. To progressives the end justifies the means.

Then you jump to another topic as if the two relate and throw out a ridiculous strawman. Please tell me you are a teenager. It would explain a lot.

An example of psychological projection.

 

[Vance]

A straightforward report on Elder Oaks talk is "left wing drivel"?

Oh YEAH, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. /sarcasm.

I do not know of any General Authority condemning gun ownership.

Good thing I didn't hold my breath.

I did know Joseph Smith was part of an organized government militia. That is obviously not what Elder Oaks was talking about

EXACTLY!!!

He wasn't talking about guns for defense of yourself AND OTHERS!!! Nor was he taking about legitimate rebellion against tyranny.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

 

 

3. An old metaphor. That a drunk man who falls off a horse and gets back on is likely to lean the other way to avoid falling off and fall off the other side. Because Obama went too far one way ascribing debt to the government and what it provides it does not mean that all men are suddenly independent because he was wrong. The truth in this case is that while all our successes should not be attributed to the nation in which we live neither should it be ignored.

 

 

I see I never heard it before. I do recognize the good the government does and did in the past, I just think there is an over reach and there has been an over reach going on for some time. I think it useful when having these dialogues to not view the other persons comments in the lense of say Ed Schultz or Peirs Morgan or Rush Limbaugh. So what I mean by that is if you say something I should not view it as if Ed Schultz was saying it. If I say something don't view my comments as if Rush Limbaugh were saying. Unless I acutally quote him.

[thesometimesaint]

We are not an internet company. I knew you would bring it up though. The internet was not created by the feds. You can think it was all you want but it wasnt. And if Al had not funded the small part he did it still would have taken off. What is the internet Saint? Do you know? The internet is largely private sector. You and I are the internet. It is small business and large business. The government was but a small unnecessary part. But I guess it is a hypothetical at this point as I do acknowledge that the government did play a role albeit a much smaller than you think. The internet is a global WAN. It would have come to be all on it's own as technology progressed. It had no where to go but were it did.

 

So for the sake of the arguement  the government created the internet fully. And I am an internet company. Why do I owe them anything? Why do I owe poor Timmy anything why do I owe you something for doing business on the internet? I am not sure why you bringing any of this up helps your case of "You didn't build that". See my response to Nehor for my guitar lesson analogy.

 

DARPA created the Internet. http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx

 

I didn't say anything about Al Gore. But he was central in creating the legal financial structure that allowed the creation of the Internet as we know it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore_and_information_technology

 

I never said we were not part of the Internet. I remember Dial Up connections. Uggh.  I'm just not its creator. Just like I'm part of the US(Granted a very small part) but I'm not its creator. That blame, or honor, goes to people like Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Hamilton.

 

Actually you owe them your loyalty(Not necessarily your constant agreement with everything they do) and your tax dollars. Personally I have no problem with using what good there is while limiting what the bad can do to me.

 

I liked very few of my teachers, and school even less. It wasn't until later High School that I liked any of them, and still don't like schol. I went because I felt I had to to gain the knowledge I needed. Don't get me wrong I like to learn, but taking tests, and writing papers still to this day doesn't appeal to me. I don't have to like what someone does to recognize and support what they do. IE;  I don't like that we fight wars, but I honor, respect, and pay part of my taxes to the people in the US military, for the tough demanding job they do on my behalf.

 

I have no problem with not having built, all by myself, a great many things. Including the company I was the COO of. I worked my way from its ground floor up. I am justifiably proud of my work there.

[thesometimesaint]

Rofl this sounds like the characterization of MSNBC.  I don't know who the Koch brothers are other than they are something I always hear the MSNBC folks rail against. No one that I know of in the tea party is racist. Sure there might be a bad apple but as a whole group I don't know any. Some one offered $10,000 dollars for hard (video evidence not just a "I heard some white guy say a racist word) evidence of racisim at a tea party rally. So far nothing hard has ever come in. Just a bunch of gossip and hersay.

 

And the Boston tea party was a revolt on the taxes being taken with out representation. I mean come on Saint you got it wrong on all the points.

 

Here are the Koch brothers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers

 

Here is the ALEC funded by the Koch brothers.

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

 

Tea Party racists:  https://www.google.com/search?q=Tea+Party+racists&client=firefox-a&hs=v5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=rcs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bNK0Uom2BJH9oATT04CABA&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1366&bih=568

 

Can I collect my $10,000 now? Hundred dollars bills are fine.

 

This doesn't sound like MSNBC to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

 

BTW GE, the largest US military contractor in the world, until very recently owned MSNBC. Didn't you ever wonder why they didn't take on GE?

See the corporatization of media: The structure and dynamics of global multi-media business networks

 

Dollars to donuts you'll never see them take on Comcast, their new owners, now either. Do you really believe old uncle Rupert, and Roger Ailes don't have a big say in what goes on at Fox News.

 

Do you really believe there is no market in San Fransisco, and Los Angeles; California for a liberal voice. According to Clear Channel the purveyor of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al,  there isn't.

Edited December 20, 2013 by thesometimesaint

[Vance]

Is that the best insults you know?

Nah, I am learning more from you.

I can only respond to what you actually say.

Oh, I wish you would.

My position is that the so called Tea Party is bunch of racist secessionist know nothing malcontents, funded by far right wing people like the Koch brothers, that protest that a black man is in their White House.

AND THAT IS WHY YOU FAIL!!!

They know nothing of the actual history including the US Revolutionary War period of the British colonies.

Really? After I demonstrated time and again that your claims of that time period were FALSE!!

The actual tea party that took place in Massachusetts Bay Colony to deny the East India Company based in Britain part of its profits from shipping tea.

And this demonstrates more of YOUR ignorance.

T > TAXED

E > ENOUGH

A > AREADY

Party, is a "grass roots" movement. It is neither racist, nor secessionist.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

DARPA created the Internet. http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx

 

I didn't say anything about Al Gore. But he was central in creating the legal financial structure that allowed the creation of the Internet as we know it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore_and_information_technology

 

I never said we were not part of the Internet. I remember Dial Up connections. Uggh.  I'm just not its creator. Just like I'm part of the US(Granted a very small part) but I'm not its creator. That blame, or honor, goes to people like Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Hamilton.

 

Actually you owe them your loyalty(Not necessarily your constant agreement with everything they do) and your tax dollars. Personally I have no problem with using what good there is while limiting what the bad can do to me.

 

I liked very few of my teachers, and school even less. It wasn't until later High School that I liked any of them, and still don't like schol. I went because I felt I had to to gain the knowledge I needed. Don't get me wrong I like to learn, but taking tests, and writing papers still to this day doesn't appeal to me. I don't have to like what someone does to recognize and support what they do. IE;  I don't like that we fight wars, but I honor, respect, and pay part of my taxes to the people in the US military, for the tough demanding job they do on my behalf.

 

I have no problem with not having built, all by myself, a great many things. Including the company I was the COO of. I worked my way from its ground floor up. I am justifiably proud of my work there.

Ok, I am not sure were the disagreement is coming from then. I have not been a COO yet. Truth be told I don't want to be COO. That doesn't souond fun to me. I like doing more detail orieted work not so much big picture work.

Edited December 20, 2013 by Mola Ram Suda Ram

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

This doesn't sound like MSNBC to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

Uh???? I don't think any of what you said is even in the wiki article. I am specifically talking about the Koch bro's comment and the tea party being racists. That was MSNBC talking not you.

[Ahab]

This has gotten a bit confusing.  Who is winning the argument so far?

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

This has gotten a bit confusing.  Who is winning the argument so far?

So far I am not sure anyone is. In fact I am not sure what is even going on anymore. Rofl.

[Stone holm]

I have pretty much lost track of where this thread has been going.  I do think it is pretty hard to argue that anything which Pope Francis has stated  could legitimately be construed as advocating some form of totalitarian state. It also seems to me that if we are trying to build up Zion in anything but a purely spiritual metaphoric sense, that it is unlikely that the economic system that has been developing in America over the last 30 years or so under both Republican and Democratic administrations is in the direction of establishing any thing like the economic system that we should be trying to establish.  And from what I have read of the writings of Hugh Nibley, he would probably agree with me. I can also imagine that he would agree with quite a bit of what Pope Francis has been saying of late. 

 

On the other hand, it is not clear to me exactly how we prevent the country with the best technology from culturally dominating the planet.  Obviously, WWII was something of a near miss. Had the Germans got their jets online somewhat faster, or had they put nuclear warheads on their V1 or V2 rockets...well history would be substantially different than today.  In those days nationalism coupled with racism and advanced technology was the threat, nowadays, somewhat unexpectedly religion is once again the greatest threat to peace and stability.  And yet religious leaders have a tremendous ability to provide leadership of extreme significance and importance.  Where Pope Francis is providing a role model, is for a leader finally breaking free of the shackles of an undue obsession with sexual morality and addressing the more potent source of evil.  Depending on whether other leaders learn from his example, and whether the devotees of his church are willing to listen, we could see a complete remake of the image of religion in the 21st Century.  I sense we are at a pivotal moment in world history.

[thesometimesaint]

Ok, I am not sure were the disagreement is coming from then. I have not been a COO yet. Truth be told I don't want to be COO. That doesn't souond fun to me. I like doing more detail orieted work not so much big picture work.

 

It was long hours away from family and friends making sure that all operations went according to law  It was a lot of work. While I enjoyed the work, it was hardly fun.

 

FYI to all.  Too many have turned political.  Thread closed.