Stone holm Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Possibly the same one Brigham Young had in mind. Well given some reports I get from my son at MUST in Rolla, Missouri -- I think we might plausibly argue that Missouri is on another planet.
ERayR Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Well given some reports I get from my son at MUST in Rolla, Missouri -- I think we might plausibly argue that Missouri is on another planet. Possibly, but then I have heard some argue that very thing for Idaho and a few other places.
Stone holm Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Possibly, but then I have heard some argue that very thing for Idaho and a few other places. Well you know you are right a case could be made for a Rocky Mountain bubble world at that.
thesometimesaint Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Well you know you are right a case could be made for a Rocky Mountain bubble world at that. Until you spend a winter in those Rocky Mountains.
Calm Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) a Rocky Mountain bubble world at that.I don't know if you think this "bubble" stuff is funny, but it comes across as pure arrogance and is getting very, very old. Every place has its quirks and ways in which it is 'isolated' from the rest of the world. Edited October 17, 2013 by calmoriah
ERayR Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Well you know you are right a case could be made for a Rocky Mountain bubble world at that. Speaking of bubble worlds how about east of the Mississippi River?
jkwilliams Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I don't know if you think this is funny, but it comes across as pure arrogance and is getting very, very old. Every place has its quirks and ways in which it is 'isolated' from the rest of the world. That's true for most places, but not where I live, which is the center of the universe. Seriously, though, it's interesting that, even in a time when we have instant communication with a large part of the world, we still exist in some respects in our own bubbles. People here speak of the "Washington Bubble" which I generally call somewhere between dysfunction and insanity, and when I was growing up in California, a lot of people I knew thought it was the cultural Mecca of the country. When I was in Bolivia, I sat down to dinner one p-day with a new missionary, and when I asked, he told me he was from Idaho. He asked where I was from, and I told him. He scowled and said, "Where I come from, we don't like people from California." Here we were, 5,000 miles from home, and he was snubbing me because I came from a different state. Another missionary once expressed shock that I was from California: "But you're not arrogant at all!" I like meeting people from all over, as we all have such different and interesting perspectives. 1
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I missed something. What planet was this, now?It only happened in the bubble in which Stone Holm lives in. 2
Stone holm Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 It only happened in the bubble in which Stone Holm lives in. Well Mfubowski's original planetary comment was a reference to an exchange concerning a Branch that was in Indiana -- where I used to live. Course he might have been referring to another "Earth" where Adam first walked...you would have to ask him.
mfbukowski Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 Well call ME odd I suppose, but I have never seen anyone at church with a tri-cornered hat with bags tied to the corners, or whatever it was you were talking about. I suppose I missed something. 2
ERayR Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 Well call ME odd I suppose, but I have never seen anyone at church with a tri-cornered hat with bags tied to the corners, or whatever it was you were talking about. I suppose I missed something. Welcome to Stone Holm's world.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 Well Mfubowski's original planetary comment was a reference to an exchange concerning a Branch that was in Indiana -- where I used to live. Course he might have been referring to another "Earth" where Adam first walked...you would have to ask him.You should know by now, that I like to tease. And I was most definatly teasing you.
Stone holm Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 Well call ME odd I suppose, but I have never seen anyone at church with a tri-cornered hat with bags tied to the corners, or whatever it was you were talking about. I suppose I missed something. Yeah that would probably violate the dress code there.
VideoGameJunkie Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 My own personal revelation was that Adam and Eve were in the garden for millions of years, since they did not age in the garden. Dinosaurs lived and died all while they were still in a perfect state in the garden. Time is not always specific in the Bible. The earth was created in 6 days, but we have no idea how long in our terms a day is according to God. A day could be billions of cosmic years. We have no idea, and it shouldn't matter.
ERayR Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 My own personal revelation was that Adam and Eve were in the garden for millions of years, since they did not age in the garden. Dinosaurs lived and died all while they were still in a perfect state in the garden. Time is not always specific in the Bible. The earth was created in 6 days, but we have no idea how long in our terms a day is according to God. A day could be billions of cosmic years. We have no idea, and it shouldn't matter. That's a long time to be pruning grapes.
VideoGameJunkie Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 That's a long time to be pruning grapes. Well you gotta get the grapes perfect. 1
Stone holm Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 My own personal revelation was that Adam and Eve were in the garden for millions of years, since they did not age in the garden. Dinosaurs lived and died all while they were still in a perfect state in the garden. Time is not always specific in the Bible. The earth was created in 6 days, but we have no idea how long in our terms a day is according to God. A day could be billions of cosmic years. We have no idea, and it shouldn't matter.I agree. I think they spent a very long time in that nudist colony, no reason they immediately jumped to the notion of eating the forbidden fruit no matter how persuasive our repugnant brother Lucifer was.
ERayR Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) I agree. I think they spent a very long time in that nudist colony, no reason they immediately jumped to the notion of eating the forbidden fruit no matter how persuasive our repugnant brother Lucifer was. I agree with you but now we get to argue about how long a long time was. Edited October 26, 2013 by ERayR
Stone holm Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 I agree with you but now we get to argue about how long a long time was. Well given the lack of fossi evidence of man's existence until relatively recently in geologic terms....I would say a very, very long time
thesometimesaint Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 Just about long enough for Adam & Eve to get together and raise a little Cain.
BCSpace Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) When Adam first walked the earth is a difficult question to answer because like others have pointed out, we don't know how long he was in the garden. Official church doctrine does put time of the fall around 4,000 bc and also states death didn't the world until the fall. I would posit that in this case, like the Global Flood, the Church has adopted Christian tradition as doctrine rather than there being some actual revelation confirming 4000 B.C. So I think these doctrines are more likely to change. Having said that, my own hypothesis doesn't necessarily conflict with a 4000 B.C. coming out of the garden date though I much prefer an 8,000 B.C. date. Personally, this is a hard topic for me because of course it isn't hard to look around and see that death has been going on for much longer than that ...I've held artifacts and bones in my hands that are much older than that and I recently saw this article on live science that they have discovered a human jaw bone that is around half a million years old. That's why I go with an hypothesis that matches science as well as doctrine. We know that pre Adamites are allowed under doctrine (1931 First Presidency statement) and we know that the property of no death is not applied to the unfinished creative state but rather to the finished (garden) state (2 Nephi 2:22). So I think one is doctrinally consistent in accepting homo sapiens before Adam and Eve along with evolution just a science teaches. Edited November 5, 2013 by BCSpace
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