Serious Debate About Sacrament Meeting!!!

[Ramil Torres]

Did Christ use wheat bread and mineral water in sacrament?

[volgadon]

Did Christ use wheat bread and mineral water in sacrament?

OH NO!!!!! At last someone came up with an ironclad argument toppling the very foundation of LDS worship each week. My whole existence is shattered.

[Scott Lloyd]

Sorry. This reminded me of an overly-harsh statement by then-Elder Kimball:

"Another area in which numerous people show a total lack of honesty and integrity is on the highway. Is it dishonest to break speed limits? What are we doing to our children and to others when we not only exceed limits but boast about it?" (Talk at BYU, June 1957, Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 197).

Not wishing to seem contrary, but I think the comment of Elder Kimball was not without merit.

[Scott Lloyd]

I recorded my wife and kids and father in law and nephew singing in sacrament meeting on my iphone and it doesn't sound half bad. I imported it to itunes and adjusted the sound quality a bit (via the itunes equalizer) and now I can share it with my family who couldn't attend.

Was it just an audio recording? If so, you're probably OK policy wise. The directive, according to what was quoted earlier on the thread, applies to video recordings and photographs. I'm guessing the concern is a matter of reverence and decorum.

[Bob Crockett]

Was it just an audio recording? If so, you're probably OK policy wise. The directive, according to what was quoted earlier on the thread, applies to video recordings and photographs. I'm guessing the concern is a matter of reverence and decorum.

After Mazine Hanks "outed" me in my church position and relationship with the church after seeing my name on a public list of Prop 8 supporters, I have become very sensitive to have my name, face or kid's names and faces made the subject of photographs without their consent as they participate in Church. It would be little different than taking a picture of me entering the temple. My business, my sacred responsibility and relationship with the church. It isn't like I'm in a public place. There is a Supreme Court decision which makes one's private associations within one's right of privacy zone.

Thus, I would take exception to somebody taking photographs or videos in a Church Sacrament meeting where my children may be participating on the stand.

[Scott Lloyd]

After Mazine Hanks "outed" me in my church position and relationship with the church after seeing my name on a public list of Prop 8 supporters, I have become very sensitive to have my name, face or kid's names and faces made the subject of photographs without their consent as they participate in Church. It would be little different than taking a picture of me entering the temple. My business, my sacred responsibility and relationship with the church. It isn't like I'm in a public place. There is a Supreme Court decision which makes one's private associations within one's right of privacy zone.

Thus, I would take exception to somebody taking photographs or videos in a Church Sacrament meeting where my children may be participating on the stand.

It's a very well-placed concern, one that hadn't occurred to me.

But wouldn't the same concern apply to video-recording or photographing school programs and pageants, music and dance recitals and such?

[bluebell]

It's a very well-placed concern, one that hadn't occurred to me.

But wouldn't the same concern apply to video-recording or photographing school programs and pageants, music and dance recitals and such?

I can't speak for other schools, but the last three schools that my kids have gone to I have had to sign slips expressly giving my permission for my kids to be photographed or appear in any videos. Obviously they can't stop parents from taping their own kids and accidentally getting other kids in the shot but schools are realizing now that images in the wrong hands might be dangerous and that parents have a right to control such as much as possible.

[Tacenda]

After Mazine Hanks "outed" me in my church position and relationship with the church after seeing my name on a public list of Prop 8 supporters, I have become very sensitive to have my name, face or kid's names and faces made the subject of photographs without their consent as they participate in Church. It would be little different than taking a picture of me entering the temple. My business, my sacred responsibility and relationship with the church. It isn't like I'm in a public place. There is a Supreme Court decision which makes one's private associations within one's right of privacy zone.

Thus, I would take exception to somebody taking photographs or videos in a Church Sacrament meeting where my children may be participating on the stand.

Are you talking about Maxine, the Maxine Hanks? This surprises me about her. Or is there a Mazine out there? Edited November 15, 2012 by Tacenda

[Bob Crockett]

It's a very well-placed concern, one that hadn't occurred to me.

But wouldn't the same concern apply to video-recording or photographing school programs and pageants, music and dance recitals and such?

No. The right to assemble in religious meetings for your sacred purposes does not extend to keeping your participation in a secular school system private, even if the school system is run by a church.

How would you feel (I'm using a general "you", not you personally), if there were youtube images of you, as a Catholic, receiving the Holy Host?

[Bob Crockett]

Are you talking about Maxine, the Maxine Hanks? This surprises me about her. Or is there a Mazine out there?

THE Maxine Hanks. I was pretty mad at her and she (rather, one of her minions or email sockpuppets by the name of "Moroni") told me in a nice way to take a flying leap; what was I, ashamed of my religion? I took an extreme amount of heat from her website which "outed me." She also "outed" some major Prop 8 contributors in Orange county who were members of the church, and said some fairly negative things about them. Her website invited members of the public to look over the list of Prop 8 supporters to see if they could identify the supports by LDS church affiliation and calling, if possible.

I emailed her and told her that those affiliations were protected by NCAAP v. Alabama, and that whereas I had the right to go public about my church affiliation and priesthood position at the time, she did not. I received some polite and condescending emails back; she refused. I didn't really know anything about her until this connection.

Prop 8 caused a lot of issues for members who contributed to it; my problems would have been minimal had not Maxine created an independent website to link public lists of Prop 8 supporters (with only name and employer) to Church affiliation and whether they were bishops and stake presidents. After her website came out, I was inundated with hate emails focusing upon the Church and my church position. Emails were also sent to my managing partner, telling him that because my firm had as a partner a mormon bishop, law schools would boycott my firm's recruiting activities.

Maxine did this to embarrass and humiliate people like me, and although I weathered the storm, others did not.

Edited November 16, 2012 by Bob Crockett