inquiringmind Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 This may be a dumb question, but why were Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, and other early latter day saints (who were baptized in water for the remission of their sins prior to 1830) rebaptized in water on or after 1830?Did it have anything to do with the difference between the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthoods?Is there some difference between being baptized for the remission of sins, and being baptized into the Church?P.S. Dad and I have both been in and out of the hospital, and my computer's been in and out of the shop, so I havn't been able to post for awhile.
Damien the Leper Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 This may be a dumb question, but why were Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, and other early latter day saints (who were baptized in water for the remission of their sins prior to 1830) rebaptized in water on or after 1830?Did it have anything to do with the difference between the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthoods?Is there some difference between being baptized for the remission of sins, and being baptized into the Church?P.S. Dad and I have both been in and out of the hospital, and my computer's been in and out of the shop, so I havn't been able to post for awhile.I'd like to know if the rumor is true that Brigham Young had non-excommunicated-already-baptized members rebaptized.
urroner Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 Many of the saints who went out west were "rebaptized." It wasn't a matter of their baptism being non-valid, it was a matter that they just wanted to "renew" the covenant and get a "new start" after arriving out in Utah. I know people who "renewed" their wedding vows by getting "remarried" in a marriage ceremony. Did doing so cast any doubts that they were rightly married when they were first married? Nah, it's just a way of physically doing something to show a rededication to earlier vows and promises.
Duncan Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 I heard it had something to do with they were rebaptized because they hadn't joined the Church in a technical sense, like they were baptized for their sins and stuff but hadn't joined the Church as a result.
williamsmith Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 Rebaptism is a practice in some denominations of the Latter Day Saint or Mormonism movement.The Latter Day Saints were headquartered in Nauvoo, Illinois. Many who were already baptized members of the church, were rebaptised either to show a renewal of their commitment to the movement or as part of a healing ordinance.After the martyrdom of the movement's founder, Joseph Smith, Jr. in 1844, rebaptism became an important ordinance in faction of the church led by Brigham Young. Young led his group to the Great Basin in what is now Utah, and most of his followers were rebaptised not long after entering the basin as a sign that they would rededicate their lives to Christ. During the "Mormon Reformation" of 1856–1857, rebaptism became an extremely important ordinance, signifying that the church member confessed their sins and would live a life of a Latter-day Saint. Church members were rebaptized prior to new covenants and ordinances, such as ordination to a new office of the priesthood, receiving temple ordinances, getting married, or entering plural marriage.Rebaptism remains a practice in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but today, it is practiced only when a previously excommunicated member rejoins the church. In such cases, the wording of the ordinance is identical to that of the first baptismal ordinance.wikipedia
williamsmith Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 I do seem to recall some baptisms also done for Priesthood reasons. I seem to recall similar happening in the Bible.
Doctrine 612 Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) I heard it had something to do with they were rebaptized because they hadn't joined the Church in a technical sense, like they were baptized for their sins and stuff but hadn't joined the Church as a result.this is true is the first baptisms were for remission of sins and the later ones are for membership in to the church example, act 18:24-19:5, 3 nephi 11 jesus re gave the priesthood and had everyone rebaptized. and the same goes for js and oc and others, they were rebaptized for membership in to the church since the church was astablished in 1830.and the utah baptisims were to renew there covenents. Edited October 4, 2012 by Doctrine 612
inquiringmind Posted October 4, 2012 Author Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) Thank you.I've never understood Acts 19:4-5.Was John's baptism part of the Old Testament, and did everyone he bapptized (except for Jesus) have to be rebaptized?Where does it say that the Nephites in third Nephi 11 had already been baptized?Was there a difference between being baptized for the remission of sins and being baptized into the Body of Christ (and diid it have anything to do with the priesthood or keys that had been restored)? Edited October 4, 2012 by inquiringmind
Avatar4321 Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 They were rebaptized because they weren't baptized into the Church because the Church was not yet organized. They need to abide by the proper order of things.
Cobalt-70 Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 In addition to rebaptisms to renew a covenant, in the 19th century, Mormons were also sometimes baptized for healing. Baptism wasn't just a one-off event. 1
Doctrine 612 Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) Thank you.I've never understood Acts 19:4-5.Was John's baptism part of the Old Testament, and did everyone he bapptized (except for Jesus) have to be rebaptized?Where does it say that the Nephites in third Nephi 11 had already been baptized?Was there a difference between being baptized for the remission of sins and being baptized into the Body of Christ (and diid it have anything to do with the priesthood or keys that had been restored)?in 3 nephi 7:24-26 jesus gave nephi the power to baptize and then later in chapter 11 jesus gave it again, but like avatar 4321 said they were to follow a proper order.and the answer to the question did they all need to be rebaptized the answer is yes for there is a new covenant and the church of christ was astablished.and jesus started the rebaptizing with his apostles john 3:22, Jst John 4:1-4 Edited October 4, 2012 by Doctrine 612
swfarnsworth Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 I was baptized for my great grandfather because he went inactive, his membership records somehow were lost or never existed, and he had lost the mental capacity to agree to be baptized (for possibly the second time) by the time this was realized. This was primarily an administrative thing, and I imagine the same was true when the Saints reached Utah. Membership records could have easily been lost if they were even kept during the journey.
MiserereNobis Posted October 4, 2012 Posted October 4, 2012 Many of the saints who went out west were "rebaptized." It wasn't a matter of their baptism being non-valid, it was a matter that they just wanted to "renew" the covenant and get a "new start" after arriving out in Utah. I know people who "renewed" their wedding vows by getting "remarried" in a marriage ceremony. Did doing so cast any doubts that they were rightly married when they were first married? Nah, it's just a way of physically doing something to show a rededication to earlier vows and promises.This idea is in the Catholic Church as well. During the Easter Vigil liturgy (Saturday night before Easter), Catholics renew their baptism while being sprinkled with holy water. It is nice to have a reminder of a Sacrament that is technically only performed once. 1
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