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https://www.google.com/search?q=mormon+scholars&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=1&tok=5raWPeuLe53sVOrX7guBrg&pq=mormon%20scholars&cp=16&gs_id=2f4&xhr=t&q=mormon+scholars+testify&pf=p&client=firefox-a&hs=zPj&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&oq=mormon+scholars+&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=ed99c3aad9b27cff&biw=1245&bih=828

Bunch of testimonies from ex-Mormon "scholars" (95% of whom don't even have doctorates, even includes a refrigerator repair man).

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https://www.google.c...iw=1245&bih=828

Bunch of testimonies from ex-Mormon "scholars" (95% of whom don't even have doctorates, even includes a refrigerator repair man).

I believe it was started as a spoof on Dr. Peterson's powerful website. But, then, certain people started to take it and themselves too seriously, and it ended up ironically as a self-parody.

I was interested to see one of my former professors, Dr. Wilder, show up on that web page. I had taken a class from her as a part of BYU's Special Education Licenser program. I found her to be a very decent and caring person who got way too caught up in the insipid whirlwind of multiculturalism--which evidently contributed significantly to her "crisis of faith." I wish her all the best.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

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https://www.google.c...iw=1245&bih=828

Bunch of testimonies from ex-Mormon "scholars" (95% of whom don't even have doctorates, even includes a refrigerator repair man).

95%, huh? I'm guessing that you don't have a doctorate in statistics...

I agree with Wade that the whole idea of this kind of site is kind of silly, but I am a little unclear on why a refrigerator repairman, or for that matter, a sales rep for a software firm, can't also be a scholar. Degrees are often overrated. That said, I haven't read through the site, so I concede that your concern about the uncredentialed might be warranted.

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Bill “Papa” Lee Grand Master

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You can get a Phd in that?
Storm Rider Grand Master

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I hope each of these people are happy.

I wonder how we conclude that faith is easy. Somehow we get to a point where we don't feel the need to walk by faith; that all we believe must be absolutely clear to our own intelligence and that everything fits into a tidy little puzzle. I have never felt particularly close to Joseph. I have admired Brigham for many years, not for being a spiritual giant, but because he was comfortable with slapping some people up side the head and then putting his arm around them and loving them. He was a tough old bird that was needed in order to keep the saints together and moving forward. I have always felt close David O. McKay; the quintessential prophet and grandfather, but my testimony has never hinged on him. If I am honest, I don't really care much for President Monson; he just rubs me the wrong way.

As I look at my own life it is too easy to see glaring faults, shortcomings, and the sure knowledge that I am a sinner. As I read the Bible I realize that so many of the ancient men of God were weak vessels and full of the problems. It has always been easy for me to use that same standard that I saw the Lord use with his ancient instruments and apply it to the men of the Restoration and to our leaders today. My testimony has always been built on my Father in Heaven and in his Son, Jesus as given to me by God's grace through the Holy Spirit.

It is painful to see these bright, wonderful individuals struggle so with faith. I will never expect perfection of others when I pray so fervently for mercy. I hope that each of them can learn to stand for something rather than for what they are not. Be great Catholics, great scientists, great scholars; be a source of compassion, peace, and love in the world. I hope they learn to never settle to be known for what they left behind and try to be a beacon of light for what they have found.

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I believe it was started as a spoof on Dr. Peterson's powerful website. But, then, certain people started to take it and themselves too seriously, and it ended up ironically as a self-parody.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

How did they manage to get every single testimony from the pseudoscholars on the front page of the google search?

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95%, huh? I'm guessing that you don't have a doctorate in statistics...

I agree with Wade that the whole idea of this kind of site is kind of silly, but I am a little unclear on why a refrigerator repairman, or for that matter, a sales rep for a software firm, can't also be a scholar. Degrees are often overrated. That said, I haven't read through the site, so I concede that your concern about the uncredentialed might be warranted.

I don't think degrees are overrated.

Hamilton Porter, MS candidate, Statistics

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How did they manage to get every single testimony from the pseudoscholars on the front page of the google search?

They shouldn't be able to without a considerable network at google+ and lots and lots of content, including videos and blogs and, perhaps, money donated for the purpose of evangelizing people out of Mormonism.

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I don't think degrees are overrated.

Hamilton Porter, MS candidate, Statistics

No but a few degree holders are. :diablo:

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Hamilton Porter Mentor

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They shouldn't be able to without a considerable network at google+ and lots and lots of content, including videos and blogs and, perhaps, money donated for the purpose of evangelizing people out of Mormonism.

There are no videos or blogs on that site.

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There are no videos or blogs on that site.

Exactly . . . whence we can conclude that this is a well-monied operation. Whence my comment about lots of donated money by people highly motivated to de-evangelize Mormons.

Dang Godbeites.

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https://www.google.c...iw=1245&bih=828

Bunch of testimonies from ex-Mormon "scholars" (95% of whom don't even have doctorates, even includes a refrigerator repair man).

At the top of the website's Home page:

Scholar:
A learned person. A specialist in a given branch of knowledge.

This website is designed for ex-Mormon scholars, intellectuals, authors or anyone who has special knowledge of Mormonism by study, via authoring books or speaking at ex-Mormon related conferences.

Some testimonies are from the dictionary definition of scholar or someone who holds a PhD or Professor from a university and others are from ex-members regarded as 'scholars of Mormonism' by the ex-Mormon community.

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According to Whois.net

Exmormonscholarstestify.org is registered to Micah McAllister of Springville, UT the Amin is Adam Farrar in Houston Texas.

Micah is a board member of the "exmormon foundation" and founder of "life after Mormonism".

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Ask "Dr." James White about that...

Well... you see there is Charmin extra soft, then there is Wal-Mart single ply.

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I don't think degrees are overrated.

Hamilton Porter, MS candidate, Statistics

I must be missing something.... I counted 6 doctorates out of 20. Yet you said that 95% of them didn't have doctorates. It seems like a pretty straightforward statistic...

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OK, non-phony degrees are not overrated. :)

They often are. This is particularly true in applied disciplines, where experience trumps education on a regular basis. An accredited degree exists for the purpose of demonstrating that the holder has successfully completed a certain level of somewhat standardized education and training. This is an important starting point for many careers, but not that different from the education and training achieved in technical and trade schools, apprenticeships, and 'on the job' experiential learning in many other careers. 'Scholars' can come from all walks of life, and with varying types and levels of education. The label is not as important as the substance.

On another note... Is there a reason why you seem hesitant to acknowledge that you misrepresented the percentage of those folks who hold doctorates? It's alright to disagree with what they are doing or saying, but blatantly misrepresenting their credentials doesn't seem right. If someone stated that 95% of the editorial board of a new journal of Mormon scriptures didn't have doctorates (when in fact, over 50% of them do), I wonder if people here would respond differently.

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They often are. This is particularly true in applied disciplines, where experience trumps education on a regular basis. An accredited degree exists for the purpose of demonstrating that the holder has successfully completed a certain level of somewhat standardized education and training. This is an important starting point for many careers, but not that different from the education and training achieved in technical and trade schools, apprenticeships, and 'on the job' experiential learning in many other careers. 'Scholars' can come from all walks of life, and with varying types and levels of education. The label is not as important as the substance.

On another note... Is there a reason why you seem hesitant to acknowledge that you misrepresented the percentage of those folks who hold doctorates? It's alright to disagree with what they are doing or saying, but blatantly misrepresenting their credentials doesn't seem right. If someone stated that 95% of the editorial board of a new journal of Mormon scriptures didn't have doctorates (when in fact, over 50% of them do), I wonder if people here would respond differently.

95% was from eyeballing, I didn't really count. 70% is not 95% but still high.

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