Verum Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Below is an exerpt and link to the article. Interesting stuff."The researchers behind a 2007 documentary detailing “The Lost Tomb of Jesus” have uncovered evidence in a first-century Israeli tomb of the Biblical prophet Jonah, who was famously swallowed whole by a whale in the Book of Jonah.The prime evidence: an ossuary, a box or chest built to contain human remains. It was examined by a robotic arm and a "snake camera" in the modestly sized, carefully carved rock tomb typical of Jerusalem in the period from 20 BCE until 70 CE.The prime evidence: an ossuary, a box or chest built to contain human remains. It was examined by a robotic arm and a "snake camera" in the modestly sized, carefully carved rock tomb typical of Jerusalem in the period from 20 BCE until 70 CE.It has a four-line Greek inscription that refers to God “raising up” someone. A carved image found on an adjacent ossuary shows what appears to be a large fish with a human stick figure in its mouth -- interpreted by the excavation team to be an image evoking the biblical story of Jonah."http://www.foxnews.c...intcmp=features Edited February 28, 2012 by Verum
Freedom Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 All this would mean is that the story is very old. It would be like finding a box with the inscription 'James Bond' and an image of a gun. This no more proves James Bond was true than does an ancient inscription of a man in the mouth of a fish. These finds are often examples of the discoverer putting the horse before the cart. Nobody denies that the story of Jonah is of ancient origins and finding evidence that even loosely links to this story should be expected. To provide some more perspective, would finding a chest with a harry potter chess game, along with a wand and broom prove Harry Potter was a real person? If my house were discovered 5000 years from now, there is a whole lot of false assumptions that escapologists may make.
Verum Posted February 28, 2012 Author Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) All this would mean is that the story is very old. It would be like finding a box with the inscription 'James Bond' and an image of a gun. This no more proves James Bond was true than does an ancient inscription of a man in the mouth of a fish. These finds are often examples of the discoverer putting the horse before the cart. Nobody denies that the story of Jonah is of ancient origins and finding evidence that even loosely links to this story should be expected. To provide some more perspective, would finding a chest with a harry potter chess game, along with a wand and broom prove Harry Potter was a real person? If my house were discovered 5000 years from now, there is a whole lot of false assumptions that escapologists may make.True, but still interesting nonetheless.I think the more interesting part of this is not necessarily its relationship to the historicity of Jonah but instead the tomb's relationship to the other tombs, which are claimed to be burial of Jesus and his family (which I admit is flaky evidence at this point).I still thought it was worth pointing out and is still interesting. Edited February 28, 2012 by Verum
Duncan Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) it seems to me that every year around Easter something new like this comes up and it seems to be hokie panokie Edited February 28, 2012 by Duncan
The Nehor Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Possible Conclusion: Someone thought the Jonah story (which was around at the time) was really neat and carved something about it on their tomb.More likely Conclusion: There was no relation whatsoever with the Jonah story and the inscription.Insane Conclusion: This proves that the story of Jonah actually happened.
volgadon Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Silliest Conclusion: The fish inscribed it.
The Nehor Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 On further reflection and looking at the image I would like to ask how they can be sure in any way, shape, or form that the carving is a fish? And how they are sure the the circle in front of the semi-fish-like object is a person? And how these nutcases imagine a tomb dated to either the first century BCE or first century CE could possibly be the resting place of a guy who was supposed to be alive when the Assyrian Empire was still a going concern?Shame on Fox News for reporting this as news. More shame on the quacks trying to use this to sell books.
Peppermint Patty Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 I am going to have to agree with our resident life-long bachelors, Nehor and Duncan. This looks a little hokey.
maklelan Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 It's all baloney. Don't even listen to a word Simcha Jacobovici, or anyone affiliated with him, ever says. 2
Duncan Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 It's all baloney. Don't even listen to a word Simcha Jacobovici, or anyone affiliated with him, ever says.agreed, him or that Tabor fella
The Nehor Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 I am going to have to agree with our resident life-long bachelors, Nehor and Duncan. This looks a little hokey.I refuse to be labeled this way. We won't know that till I'm dead.....probably a year or so at most.
Duncan Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 I refuse to be labeled this way. We won't know that till I'm dead.....probably a year or so at most. I ate out twice today without a twinge of regret or remorse, now if I was married I would hope Sis.hunniebunch would care about my health and ensure I eat healthy or what have you, mind you I need to gain weight but the fact remains
The Nehor Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 I ate out twice today without a twinge of regret or remorse, now if I was married I would hope Sis.hunniebunch would care about my health and ensure I eat healthy or what have you, mind you I need to gain weight but the fact remainsI'm actually dropping weight right now. Secret is to restrict shopping to nuts, carrots, cereal, and milk.
Duncan Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 I'm actually dropping weight right now. Secret is to restrict shopping to nuts, carrots, cereal, and milk.something that I get told frequently is that I look the same now as I did ten years ago, which hey makes me no nevermind but what do I have to do to put on the pounds! besides no remose eating? me own father is almost 80 and he looks amazing for his age!
Calm Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 It's all baloney. Don't even listen to a word Simcha Jacobovici, or anyone affiliated with him, ever says.Meaning that it is ridiculous to think of it as some evidence for the historical existence of Jonah himself or that there is no connection with the story of Jonah at all?Wouldn't the story of Jonah be well known during the time period the ossuary is supposed to be from? Is there any reason why someone wouldn't carve a Jonah figure on an ossuary?
LeSellers Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Wouldn't the story of Jonah be well known during the time period the ossuary is supposed to be from? Jesus referred to it as a sign of His own death and resurrection, a century (as I read the article) later.Lehi
Calm Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) a century (as I read the article) later.20 BCE until 70 CESounds more like the same time period to me.Of course the picture itself could simply be of a man being attacked by a fish. It would have been more likely Jonah if it had shown the man inside the fish as well as another one where he is restored outside of the fish.Would there be any reason to assume that both ossuaries are talking about the identical story? Surely the Greek inscription could have been independent from the picture of the man in the fish's mouth? Edited February 29, 2012 by calmoriah
Calm Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) If anyone had claimed to find either a statement about resurrection or a Jonah image in a Jewish tomb of this period I would have said impossible -- until now," said James D. TaborWhy is this considered impossible? And couldn't it be a Jewish Christian tomb considering the time period given? Edited February 29, 2012 by calmoriah
volgadon Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Why is this considered impossible? And couldn't it be a Jewish Christian tomb considering the time period given?He would have said impossible because it serves to spice up the find a bit in the media.
ERayR Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 Its a warning sign. No Swimming Sharks in Water.
Mike Reed Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) Further studies have shown that the "stick" figure is actually Pinocchio, not Jonah. The Bible says nothing about Jonah being made of wood. Edited March 2, 2012 by Mike Reed 1
maklelan Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Sounds more like the same time period to me.Of course the picture itself could simply be of a man being attacked by a fish. It would have been more likely Jonah if it had shown the man inside the fish as well as another one where he is restored outside of the fish.Would there be any reason to assume that both ossuaries are talking about the identical story? Surely the Greek inscription could have been independent from the picture of the man in the fish's mouth?It's actually not a fish, but an amphora. The picture is oriented to make it look like a fish, and there's evidence it's been photoshopped, too. Here's the reconstructed version of the whole ossuary.
Calm Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) It's actually not a fish, but an amphora. The picture is oriented to make it look like a fish, and there's evidence it's been photoshopped, too. Here's the reconstructed version of the whole ossuary.Seriously, that makes the claim that it's Jonah look like an intentional attempt to mislead. The decorative elements fit so much better with an amphora than a fish.Not impressed by the quality of the artwork, btw. Even I could do better. Edited March 2, 2012 by calmoriah
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