Mormon Exclusivism

[Libs]

You're an outlier. You, too, need an XML-700 Chip Adjustment, and you, too, have forgotten the 14th Article of Faith.

lol....I had to look up that "14th Article"...thought I had missed one!

Have to admit, I know nothing of those "snooty and snobby Utah Mormons". (I've heard about them, though )

Edited February 20, 2012 by Libs

[Messenger]

I've lived in Oregon for years, and then moved to Utah. Speaking from experience...........

There is nothing more snooty and snobby than an IDAHO MOROMON

here's your sign .....

[Scott Lloyd]

Was hoping to get a chance to post this this on Kenngo's reprisal thread before it inevitably got locked, but I missed my chance.

So I'll do it here: His posts are hilarious.

Maybe I'll change my sig line to "Damn Utah Mormon"

Edited February 20, 2012 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

Was hoping to get a chance to post this this on Kenngo's reprisal thread before it inevitably got locked, but I missed my chance.

So I'll do it here: His posts are hilarious.

Maybe I'll change my sig line to "Damn Utah Mormon"

So I'm thinking of starting a National Society of Damn Utah Mormons. The founding chapter would be in Salt Lake County, since that's where I'm from. But we'd establish chapters in each of Utah's 29 counties and branch out to other states of the Union and Canadian provinces.

And just as you don't have to have Mormon Pioneer ancestry these days to belong to SUP, we'll welcome people whether they're from Utah or not.

But wait. That could do violence to our reputation, 14th Article of Faith and all. We'll have to vote on that when we do the by-laws.

Edited February 20, 2012 by Scott Lloyd

[Pahoran]

So I'm thinking of starting a National Society of Damn Utah Mormons. The founding chapter would be in Salt Lake County, since that's where I'm from. But we'd establish chapters in each of Utah's 29 counties and branch out to other states of the Union and Canadian provinces.

And just as you don't have to have Mormon Pioneer ancestry these days to belong to SUP, we'll welcome people whether they're from Utah or not.

But wait. That could do violence to our reputation. We'll have to vote on that when we do the by-laws.

What will you call your society?

"National Society of Damn Utah Mormons" just sounds too long and unwieldy. You could shorten it to "Damn Utah Mormons Club," or simply DUM Club for short. If it was restricted to males only, it could be the "Damn Utah Mormon Boys Club."

Regards,

Pahoran

[Scott Lloyd]

What will you call your society?

"National Society of Damn Utah Mormons" just sounds too long and unwieldy. You could shorten it to "Damn Utah Mormons Club," or simply DUM Club for short. If it was restricted to males only, it could be the "Damn Utah Mormon Boys Club."

Regards,

Pahoran

Hey Pahoran, interested in starting a New Zealand chapter? We could go global with this thing.

Edited February 20, 2012 by Scott Lloyd

[Calm]

I don't think I qualify for the Damn Utah Mormons club (or the female auxiliary if it's the Damn Utah Mormon Boys Club) because I have to admit to hating Utah weather and being stuck in a valley surrounded by mostly brown mountains (love getting up into the mountains though where it's green). I do love my little pocket of green though....except in July and August.

So I think I'll just purchase a "I love a Damn Utah Mormon Boy" bumper sticker and put it on my car if that's okay.

Edited February 21, 2012 by calmoriah

[selek1]

So I'm thinking of starting a National Society of Damn Utah Mormons. The founding chapter would be in Salt Lake County, since that's where I'm from. But we'd establish chapters in each of Utah's 29 counties and branch out to other states of the Union and Canadian provinces.

And just as you don't have to have Mormon Pioneer ancestry these days to belong to SUP, we'll welcome people whether they're from Utah or not.

But wait. That could do violence to our reputation, 14th Article of Faith and all. We'll have to vote on that when we do the by-laws.

Since I have already irrevocably damaged my "hard-liner iron-rod-suppository"*** image, I'll volunteer to anchor the Kearns Branch.

***That's a quote. Please don't ban/tase me, bro.

[volgadon]

In the immortal words of Sir Humphrey Appleby, "If you must do this damn silly thing don’t do it in this damn silly way."

[rodheadlee]

Was the reason he was shunned was that he was not LDS or some other reason?

Their family wasn't LDS.

[Calm]

Their family wasn't LDS.

I get this image of the Lord coming along and slapping the back of the head of certain LDS, saying "what in the world were you thinking?" from time to time.

It's not only parents that have to be concerned about someone else's sin being placed upon their heads in my opinion.

[Storm Rider]

You're an outlier. You need an XML-700 Chip Adjustment. You've forgotten the Fourteenth Article of Faith: "We Damn Utah Mormons believe in being snooty, snobby, and standoffish."

Ken, I don't think I was trying to condemn Utah Mormons (my wife's family are Utah Mormons), but I just don't want to be one of them. I don't want to live in Utah. I know there are some truly wonderful people who live there, but danged if you guys don't come up with the most stupid things about being a LDS. This is not an accusation about an individual, it is my silly little deduction by living there for a few years and seeing, hearing about a whole host of really obnoxious things that Mormons do and expect of each other in Utah.

I wonder if I just dug the hole a little deeper in your eyes? Buy you are right, I am so grateful to not be there; where is my dang Rameumptom.

[Calm]

One of the problems with having an international church (probably not so much now with the internet and travel), is the odd practices and ideas that creep in among the faithful, I've heard quite a few being reported but the only ones I remember now off the top of my head was a practice having to do with the sacrament that was started by German (?) Saints when they were cut off during the war and something along the lines of a refusal to step down by a East European bishop back in the 90s due to a misunderstanding that being a bishop was not a lifetime job or supposed to be a step up the religious corporate ladder. I don't think it is only Utah that has that kind of problem, it is simply the higher numbers lead to more occurrences, likely the probabilities are about the same.

[selek1]

One of the problems with having an international church (probably not so much now with the internet and travel), is the odd practices and ideas that creep in among the faithful, I've heard quite a few being reported but the only ones I remember now off the top of my head was a practice having to do with the sacrament that was started by German (?) Saints when they were cut off during the war and something along the lines of a refusal to step down by a East European bishop back in the 90s due to a misunderstanding that being a bishop was not a lifetime job or supposed to be a step up the religious corporate ladder. I don't think it is only Utah that has that kind of problem, it is simply the higher numbers lead to more occurrences, likely the probabilities are about the same.

One of the problems with having an international church (probably not so much now with the internet and travel), is the odd practices and ideas that creep in among the faithful, I've heard quite a few being reported but the only ones I remember now off the top of my head was a practice having to do with the sacrament that was started by German (?) Saints when they were cut off during the war and something along the lines of a refusal to step down by a East European bishop back in the 90s due to a misunderstanding that being a bishop was not a lifetime job or supposed to be a step up the religious corporate ladder. I don't think it is only Utah that has that kind of problem, it is simply the higher numbers lead to more occurrences, likely the probabilities are about the same.

So you are suggesting that- like the Bermuda Triangle- Utah sees more Mormon weirdness because of the density rather than because of any inherent wierdness of the inhabitants?

Are you calling Utah Mormons dense?

[Calm]

Only the ones I know.

[LeSellers]

It's not only parents that have to be concerned about someone else's sin being placed upon their heads in my opinion.

Parents are not responsible for anyone else's sins, not even their children's.

I have found that this misunderstanding is widespread among the Saints. But it is a misunderstanding. We need to read Doc&Cov 68 more closely.

25 ... inasmuch as parents have children in Zion, or in any of her stakes which are organized, that teach them not to understand the doctrine of repentance, faith in Christ the Son of the living God, and of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of the hands, when eight years old, the sin be upon the heads of the parents. 26 For this shall be a law unto the inhabitants of Zion, or in any of her stakes which are organized.

It does not say that their (the children's) sins will be upon the heads of the parents, but that the parents' own sin (of not teaching their children) will be on their heads. In other words, we cannot blame the Primary or Sunday School for a failure to teach the children. That sin is ours (if we don't obey this law), not the Church's.

We teach as instructed here; we do not coerce. If a child determines not to be baptized, that is his choice—he and he alone is accountable.

Lehi

Edited February 21, 2012 by LeSellers

[Scott Lloyd]

One of the problems with having an international church (probably not so much now with the internet and travel), is the odd practices and ideas that creep in among the faithful, I've heard quite a few being reported but the only ones I remember now off the top of my head was a practice having to do with the sacrament that was started by German (?) Saints when they were cut off during the war and something along the lines of a refusal to step down by a East European bishop back in the 90s due to a misunderstanding that being a bishop was not a lifetime job or supposed to be a step up the religious corporate ladder. I don't think it is only Utah that has that kind of problem, it is simply the higher numbers lead to more occurrences, likely the probabilities are about the same.

If anything, it may be a bit worse outside of Utah due to the phenomenon you describe, which is known as distance decay, though, as you indicate, this is not apt to be as likely today as in past generations, due to such factors as the advent of the Internet, faster and improved travel, and generally better communication capability.

And yes, I do recall hearing that after World War II, the Brethren were obliged to alleviate quite a bit of weirdness that had crept in among the Saints in countries formerly under NAZI domination and thus cut off from communication with Church headquarters in Salt Lake City.

Edited February 21, 2012 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

Rejoice with me. This is a landmark post for me, my 12,000th on this board.

Funeral potatoes and green Jell-O (with and without the shredded carrots) are being served at the National Headquarters Building of Damn Utah Mormons.

(But don't be surprised if you show up and I seem snooty, stand-offish, weird, and do "really obnoxious things" and expect the same of you.)

Edited February 21, 2012 by Scott Lloyd

[Calm]

Rejoice with me. This is a landmark post for me, my 12,000th on this board.

Funeral potatoes and green Jell-O (with and without the shredded carrots) are being served at the National Headquarters Building of Damn Utah Mormons.

(But don't be surprised if you show up and I seem snooty, stand-offish, weird, and do "really obnoxious things" and expect the same of you.)

We can all stand around looking down at our noises at each other.....could make for either very long meetings or very short ones.

My husband thinks he might join, needs to give the club a once over at least just to make sure you are his kind of people.

[Scott Lloyd]

We can all stand around looking down at our noises at each other.....could make for either very long meetings or very short ones.

My husband thinks he might join, needs to give the club a once over at least just to make sure you are his kind of people.

Reminds me of the famous Groucho Marx quote

I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member.

[Scott Lloyd]

Ken, I don't think I was trying to condemn Utah Mormons (my wife's family are Utah Mormons), but I just don't want to be one of them. I don't want to live in Utah. I know there are some truly wonderful people who live there, but danged if you guys don't come up with the most stupid things about being a LDS. This is not an accusation about an individual, it is my silly little deduction by living there for a few years and seeing, hearing about a whole host of really obnoxious things that Mormons do and expect of each other in Utah.

Are you referring to our thrice-daily practice of facing the direction of the Great Salt Lake and genuflecting? What's obnoxious about that?

[Calm]

I don't mind that so much, it's the greeting of the rising of the sun and moon every day with the BYU Cougar Fight Song from the speakers suspended from the roof of the house. Five or six houses on the street playing it full blast twice daily not only cuts into my sleep and increases my hearing loss, but I think it's peeling off the stucco, the dog refuses to come out from under the couch in the basement and the local wildlife appears to be developing some weird mating habits.

[Scott Lloyd]

I don't mind that so much, it's the greeting of the rising of the sun and moon every day with the BYU Cougar Fight Song from the speakers suspended from the roof of the house. Five or six houses on the street playing it full blast twice daily not only cuts into my sleep and increases my hearing loss, but I think it's peeling off the stucco, the dog refuses to come out from under the couch in the basement and the local wildlife appears to be developing some weird mating habits.

Speaking of school rivalry, did you hear what happened the other day in my school district (Canyons) just up the freeway from where you live?

A new high school will open in Draper next year. The district administration let the kids vote on what their mascot would be, selected from a number of choices. The favorite was "Corner Canyon Cougars."

The school board nixed it. But instead of giving their reasoning straight out -- that they didn't want to upset the University of Utah fans -- they gave out the weird excuse that the name "cougar" would offend middle-age women.

The ostensible reasoning was so stupid that it went nationwide, to all the major news outlets. It was in Sports Illustrated and was a joke on the NPR comedy quiz program "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me."

In writing about it in his Deseret News column, Doug Robinson had a great quote from Mark Twain: "God made idiots first. That was for practice. Then he made school boards."

Edited February 21, 2012 by Scott Lloyd

[Jeff K.]

I told my cougar wife that she was a cougar, she looked at me and said "of course I am". Graduate of 84 top of her accounting school. I get away with so much sometimes.

[Calm]

Why do people make their lives so hard for themselves.......