Scott Lloyd Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Couldn't it be just as easily argued that any game with dice is a short step away from using dice for wagering?Perhaps.I'm not preaching against the use of face cards. I'm only suggesting a reason it might have been discouraged in the past, the association and all.What I disapprove of is the gambling itself, not the instrument that is used for it, be it face cards or something else. And in this day and age, it's far more convenient to use the Internet for gambling, if that's where your inclination is, than to go to a casino or get a group together for a Poker game. Edited February 24, 2012 by Scott Lloyd
Scott Lloyd Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 volgadon:I used to play cards, mostly Rummy, never did bet money on the outcome.So long as wagering is not involved, it is no worse than playing Monopoly, say I.
volgadon Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 volgadon:I used to play cards, mostly Rummy, never did bet money on the outcome. It was a simple diversion to spend a few hours with friends and family. Lost interest after family grew up and left home.To some the whole religious thing is a waste of time. All I can tell them it is my time to waste.I think you might have been misreading me. Lehi claimed that the rationale for the prejudice against cards had to do with fortune telling. I checked Joseph F. Smith's Gospel Principles because I remmber that he devoted quite a few pages to the topic.As long as there is no gambling for money (or homes, cars and worse), then I'm fine with card playing.Learned how to shuffle a deck professionally in the army, and played a lot of games. Never for money, we usually would play for who gets to patrol the base.
Tepui Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 Mormon Exclusiveness: "Behold, I am laboring with them continually; and when I speak the word of God with sharpness they tremble and anger against me; and when I use no sharpness they harden their hearts against it; wherefore, I fear lest the Spirit of the Lord hath ceased striving with them."Sounds as if Mormon was excluded.
KevinG Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 Cliques and haughty attitudes is not a Mormon thing. It is a homogeneous society thing. "Utah Mormons", "New York Jews" and "Southern Evangelicals" all have these issues when they are in large insulated groups where they are not forced to question assumptions about their culture and participate in society as an outsider group.I've met as many "Utah Mormons" that have never lived in Utah as I did when I lived in Provo for 2 1/2 years. As my historian friend says "Mormons are like manure. Spread them over the earth and they make wonderful things grow. Pile them up in one place and they just start to stink."It is a delicate task to be a unified and unique society without being judgemental or closed. Jesus had a few things to say about being examples and not hypocritical (having the appearance of righteousness but corrupt on the inside). It is a natural part of human nature.I fight that battle myself as I try to be good without being a "goodie two shoes". Perhaps as a convert who has questioned his own faith and understood the dynamic of being an outsider I can see this a little better- but I don't think we can blame Mormonism or Utah for what is a very common frailty of all mankind.It is better we should be aware of the tendency to be insular simply because we are a society trying to protect our own identity- then work to avoid falling into the traps that go with that. 2
KevinG Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 I told this story in another thread but it seems to fit here. One of our more overtly righteous sisters lectured me for playing go fish with an autistic boy in the foyer during Scouts. I was pretty happy he was engaged and excited. She was scolding me for playing with face cards because "Brigham Young taught it was not right".I finally turned to her and said "Brigham also said we are going to hell if we don't accept polygamy. Where do you suggest I start?"I'm not her favorite person in the ward. 1
Tepui Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 I told this story in another thread but it seems to fit here. One of our more overtly righteous sisters lectured me for playing go fish with an autistic boy in the foyer during Scouts. I was pretty happy he was engaged and excited. She was scolding me for playing with face cards because "Brigham Young taught it was not right".I finally turned to her and said "Brigham also said we are going to hell if we don't accept polygamy. Where do you suggest I start?"I'm not her favorite person in the ward.LOL!
Tepui Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) As a Mormon, I'm not exclusive: I don't live in Utah. (thank goodness.)When visiting a friend in Kentucky, it was mentioned the many LDS Dental students coming in and out of the ward.Some would get up in testimony meetings: "Now I know why the Lord had us accepted to this dental school! We're from Utah and we've been sent here to teach and correct all of you!"Gag...On returning from my visit, I told my Bishop about this experience. He replied: "Oh yeah. Those kind of Mormons."Lol! Edited February 25, 2012 by Tepui
Scott Lloyd Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 As a Mormon, I'm not exclusive: I don't live in Utah. (thank goodness.)If you're glad you don't live in Utah, and if you harbor this negative stereotype about those of us who do live here, doesn't that make you, to some degree, exclusive? 1
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