Scott Lloyd Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 Seems perfectly on topic. The subject of the OP is "When will such bigotry end?" So discussion as to whether or not this is an example of bigotry in the first place is perfectly cromulent.To deny another's Christianity when he, himself, professes belief in the divinity of Christ seems to fall under the classification of bigotry. On the other hand, to believe in the supremacy of one's own religious beliefs while at the same time showing tolerance toward the beliefs of others could hardly be so regarded.I think your comparison fails.
Franktalk Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 Isn't it a big ironic for someone who's upset about not being considered a Christian to call someone else a 'bleached blonde bimbo'?Actually, what is in ones heart can't be seen but what is on ones head can. The bimbo part comes from what she said.
Calm Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 that is sad....guess you never know what news is actually news thenCNN reported news that had to have been known to be false at least by the ones doing the editing and reporting. It occurred back in 96 during the Russian election when CNN showed what appeared to be a mass demonstration/gathering in favour of the Communist party. The video showed a jampacked Red Square, wall to wall people and reported numbers in at least the tens of thousands (can't remember specifics after all this time). Thing is, my husband was in the Square that day and saw the demonstration as well as the reporters. The video was worked by filming from an angle that caught the majority of the people there and cut off right at the edge of the crowd to make it appear the crowd was much larger than it was---it was likely there was some instruction for the crowd to jam up together for the video---plus the numbers were obviously less than a thousand people there, no way any reporter could have been confused into thinking it was as high as they reported......but it made much better news to present the Communist party as more powerful than it actually was.I have never trusted any news program since then, even if they showed video knowing what they are willing to do to manipulate for the sake of a story.
Jeff K. Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 They did the same thing in Chile during the pleblicite in the 1980's. I was there, and the news made it seem bigger than it was.
ldsfaqs Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 Wow, and I actually liked her, thought she was pretty professional.Looks like some more people need to read Mark/Luke 9, Romans 14, and Matthew 7.
ldsfaqs Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 This is hardly "bigotry". Can't someone express a personal opinion that disagrees with Mormon agendas without being called names?It is ignorance which is bigoted based. Anyone with a brain knows Mormons are Christian. They may be of their own class, but they are still Christian. She should know better.What I find odd is that most Mormons get all up in arms about this but the same people will insist that certain people not be called Mormons. They'll fight tooth and nail to insist those RLDS and fundamentalist groups not be considered Mormons. Why? For the same reasons most Christians do not want people confusing their religion with Mormonism.Your example is completely false. Almost no Mormon would deny break-off sects the Title of Mormon. Just because you've seen a couple, that doesn't make it a trend, especially among us, the so-called people who are "up in arms" about the comment. Name a single Mormon on this board who believes what you just stated, let alone most of us who are "up in arms"? Thus, you misrepresent us, and do so intentionally.I have no problem calling Mormons Christians, but I understand why some choose not to. There truly are significant differences in LDS and traditional Christian theologies.Understanding why is not the same thing as it being valid, wise, accurate, or good. But, it is good that "you" at least have no problem. But, that's not really surprising, you're an Atheist.
frankenstein Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 Your example is completely false. Almost no Mormon would deny break-off sects the Title of Mormon. Just because you've seen a couple, that doesn't make it a trend, especially among us, the so-called people who are "up in arms" about the comment. Name a single Mormon on this board who believes what you just stated, let alone most of us who are "up in arms"? Thus, you misrepresent us, and do so intentionally.from SLTRIBElder Lance Wickman, a church attorney and member of the First Quorum of the Seventy, wrote in an appeal to the news media that journalists "refrain from referring to members of that polygamous sect as 'fundamentalist Mormons' or 'fundamentalist' members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."It would appear the LDS Church Officially denies the title "mormon" to break offs. In my own life I do not consider break offs to be Mormon, and it is degrading to the LDS Church to apply the title Mormon to apostate groups. Xander has a great point. 1
Stargazer Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) This is Fox and Friends which is basically like Regis and Kelly. But I've seen some in the news playing fast and loose with facts when it seems to make for good TV. In fact a Fox News anchor was fired when she refused to broadcast news that was knowingly false and she sued Fox. Fox News actually went to court and argued that "under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves". The Florida Supreme Court ruled in favor of Fox News. PhaedrusI thought that just had to be an urban legend, but further checking shows that it is not. Amazing.Actually, it isn't so amazing as all that. Not to set off a political debate or anything, but I've been under the impression for a long time that the non-Fox news media distort and misrepresent facts on a regular basis. I am somewhat bemused that Fox, at least, has the honesty to admit that its reporting may or may not be a pack of lies at any given time. A breath of fresh air. Walter Cronkite would never have admitted it, that's for sure.edit:There was a CFR on this earlier, not directed at me, but to Phaedrus, but here's one of the sources I found:http://www.drudge.com/archive/122468/fox-news-gets-okay-misinform-public Edited July 19, 2011 by Stargazer
Stargazer Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 Well, to be fair, I have it on good authority that she also doesn't think Tom Cruise is a scientist.ROFL
zerinus Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 A sometimes stand in for the usual female Anchor for Fox and Friends, made a statement that one could almost miss.When will such bigotry end? Fox News Anchor says Romney is not a ChristianThis is not about Romney or politics, it is about us; so no politics please.That line of attack didn't work in the last election, and it won't work this time either. It even turned out to be counter-productive. No need to waste time over that.
Mormon Factor Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) Don't forget the BEST part of this whole story..............over on that FOXNews' anchor's Facebook page the professional anti-mormons (Aaron Shavaoloff, Russell Bales, Rob Sivulka, et al) have all cluttered up her comments with their typical anti-LDS diatribes and blather. You KNOW when people are clinically-obsessed with bigotry when they find someone's Facebook page that said something they agree with and begin their crusade on that person's personal page. LOLKinda reminds me of my backyard. No sooner than when my dogs are done, there are already flies there waiting to pounce! LOL Edited July 19, 2011 by Mormon Factor
cdowis Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 I think the whole thing is a molehill made into a mountain.I think she misspoke, and simply meant that he was not a part of the Evangelist Christians, in contrast, for example, to Mike Hukabee. It is obvious that he is not.It was something unintentional, and we are too sensitive.Forget it, and move on. Nothing to see here.
Ron Beron Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 I think the whole thing is a molehill made into a mountain.I think she misspoke, and simply meant that he was not a part of the Evangelist Christians, in contrast, for example, to Mike Hukabee. It is obvious that he is not.It was something unintentional, and we are too sensitive.Forget it, and move on. Nothing to see here.Misspoken or not, unintentional or not, she is a professional and represents a respected news agency and as such she not have said what she said. What is more troubling is her lack of apology or Fox News refusing to deal with an embarrassing situation.
CV75 Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 When will such bigotry end? When every knee shall bow and every tongue confess to God.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted July 19, 2011 Author Posted July 19, 2011 Well, to be fair, I have it on good authority that she also doesn't think Tom Cruise is a scientist.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted July 19, 2011 Author Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) I think the whole thing is a molehill made into a mountain.I think she misspoke, and simply meant that he was not a part of the Evangelist Christians, in contrast, for example, to Mike Hukabee. It is obvious that he is not.It was something unintentional, and we are too sensitive.Forget it, and move on. Nothing to see here.I would agree if at least one of her two companions would have stepped up and said something. She went on and on a about Perry and how he is Christian. Her "agenda" insulted a large demographic of Fox News. BTW, does anyone know if she has apologized, anywhere? Edited July 19, 2011 by Bill “Papa” Lee
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted July 19, 2011 Author Posted July 19, 2011 Wait.Did you just accuse me of being a feminist because i don't like it when someone calls someone else derogatory names? That's embarrassing for you on so many levles.Are you unaware that when you call a woman a 'bimbo' you are implying that she is a willing sex object or has loose morals?"Hahah, i was just joking" is a lame excuse for treating any woman in such a way.....I must agree, somewhere over time the meaning of that word "bimbo" has been lost.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted July 19, 2011 Author Posted July 19, 2011 This is hardly "bigotry". Can't someone express a personal opinion that disagrees with Mormon agendas without being called names?What I find odd is that most Mormons get all up in arms about this but the same people will insist that certain people not be called Mormons. They'll fight tooth and nail to insist those RLDS and fundamentalist groups not be considered Mormons. Why? For the same reasons most Christians do not want people confusing their religion with Mormonism.I have no problem calling Mormons Christians, but I understand why some choose not to. There truly are significant differences in LDS and traditional Christian theologies.Saying that someone is not a Christian who has gone to such lengths in the last race to declare himself to be Christian, was a slam coupled with her enthusiasm for the other candidate. She knew exactly what she was doing. She is not alone in this, Michael Medved does this all the time; He will say glowing things about Romney’s business experience, but is quick to remind all that “Christians will not support him…(he loves to add this) especially in the South”. But this is not about Romney, but the bigotry that clearly exists among many (not all) EV's, especially those involved in the counter-cult movement.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted July 19, 2011 Author Posted July 19, 2011 You mean its not a loaf of bread?Is this a U.S. Company?
Calm Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 The FAIR blog has an article about this for those interested: http://www.fairblog.org/2011/07/18/mitt-romney-fox-news-and-the-mormon-question-a-few-questions-for-discussion/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+fairldsblog+%28FAIR+Blog%29
cdowis Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 Is Romney supported by the so-called Christian Coalition? I suspect that was her point.
Scott Lloyd Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) Is Romney supported by the so-called Christian Coalition? I suspect that was her point.If that was her point, the same could be said of Barack Obama. I suspect, though, that if somebody had said on national television that Obama is not a Christian, some eyebrows would have been raised, if not an uproar. Edited July 19, 2011 by Scott Lloyd
thesometimesaint Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 Pa Pa:Yes.http://www.bimbobakeriesusa.com/
Jaybear Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 Is Romney supported by the so-called Christian Coalition? I suspect that was her point.That seems to be her point. "With the Christian Coalition, I think [Perry] can get a lot of money from that base because Romney, obviously [is] not a Christian," said Earhardt.
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