Mars Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 It's not offensive, I just refuse to call it anything other than what it intends to be: quite literally "making fun" of all things Mormon.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 You seem to use that line alot....but seriously...whats so mocking about a singing and dancing Joseph Smith? I bet he'd get a real kick out of seeing himself being depicted on broadway. I think he had a sense of humor.Ugh. Seriously? Seriously, Craig? I think Mars effectively spelled it out.
LDSToronto Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I think it's funny that a bunch of people who haven't even seen the musical can make so many comments about it.H.
LDSToronto Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 It's not offensive, I just refuse to call it anything other than what it intends to be: quite literally "making fun" of all things Mormon.Sort of like "The RM" and "The Hometeachers", yes?H.
Craig Paxton Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 It's not offensive, I just refuse to call it anything other than what it intends to be: quite literally "making fun" of all things Mormon.I agree that it makes fun of and lampoons some of the low hanging, funnier beliefs of Mormonism, ...I think that's the point of a parody...but come on... Mormonism IS funny...The Garden of Eden in Jackson County Missouri? A man who claims to speak directly with God? Golden plates dug up in your back yard? Ancient Jews sailing to America? Jesus living in the USA? Admit it…those beliefs are funny claims to the outside world…heck they’re funny to me. On the surface each and everyone one of these beliefs are fertile grounds just waiting to be lampooned...and the creators of South Park took advantage of that opportunity.But it also shows that even with those funny beliefs...Mormonism can and does change the lives of its believers for good.
Mars Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 @LDSToronto:I have been careful not to give a review of the play. That would necessitate seeing it. I have commented on the play's intent. Do you feel it's necessary to see the play in order to correctly ascertain its intent?As for The RM and The Hometeachers, do you feel that Halestorm Entertainment's aims and intent are the same as Matt Stone and Trey Parker? If we can agree they are different, I think the difference in satire becomes apparent, or did you just want to trap me?
Mars Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I agree that it makes fun of and lampoons some of the low hanging, funnier beliefs of Mormonism, ...I think that's the point of a parody...but come on... Mormonism IS funny...The Garden of Eden in Jackson County Missouri? A man who claims to speak directly with God? Golden plates dug up in your back yard? Ancient Jews sailing to America? Jesus living in the USA? Admit it…those beliefs are funny claims to the outside world…heck they’re funny to me. On the surface each and everyone one of these beliefs are fertile grounds just waiting to be lampooned...and the creators of South Park took advantage of that opportunity.Spitting on me...But it also shows that even with those funny beliefs...Mormonism can and does change the lives of its believers for good.Calling it rain.Whatever, Craig. Just accept that I don't like it and quit trying to convince me I just need to go with it. Or do you not respect my feelings on the matter?
Craig Paxton Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 Spitting on me...Calling it rain.Whatever, Craig. Just accept that I don't like it and quit trying to convince me I just need to go with it. Or do you not respect my feelings on the matter?I would never presume to convince you of anything...If I am attempting to do anything it is this...don't take it so serious...its just a musical that pokes fun at Mormonism...don't be offended...just laugh, if not with it, than at it. chill out some...let's go get a drink and laugh some.
Mars Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I would never presume to convince you of anything...If I am attempting to do anything it is this...don't take it so serious...its just a musical that pokes fun at Mormonism...don't be offended...just laugh, if not with it, than at it. chill out some...let's go get a drink and laugh some.Bold mine.But I'm not offended, Craig. I'm not worked up. I do take it serious, it's my accepted and chosen religion. I don't like it being mocked. I'm not going to opine in the Salt Lake Tribune, I'm not going to call into a talk radio show and spout off about how evil and vile it is. I'm not going to go along with it as a good natured noogie by my big brothers Matt Stone and Trey Parker. I'm going to tell you I don't like it, defend myself when my consistency of thinking is critiqued (LDSToronto), and tell you I don't like the play when I'm told it's all in good fun.Nyah.
Walden Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 To be clear, I was not offended, I just recognized what the play is. It is a mockery of the LDS beliefs. I am sure some good will come form it. Apparently, that is the general consensus here?Well after reading these posts, it appears that some good is coming out of it: the LDS persecution complex, in which TBMs perceive any slight towards their peculiar beliefs as an assault on the kingdom of god, has again been heightened, thus ensuring that the general LDS population will band more strongly together to fight this perceived injustice, persecution, etc. You guys can thank the writers of this play for helping unify TBMs across the country to speak out against this outrage!Heck, I even see people stating that this broadway play is some sort of jab at the LDS for their stance on Prop 8.....heck, even Trey Parker would have a difficult time making some of this stuff up
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I think it's funny that a bunch of people who haven't even seen the musical can make so many comments about it.H.What are you talking about? Some one posted a clip, and of that clip it was clearly a mockery. Apparently some one, that is so ignorant of this thread, decided to opine on how ignorant all the rest of us are. Oh the irony.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 Well after reading these posts, it appears that some good is coming out of it: the LDS persecution complex, in which TBMs perceive any slight towards their peculiar beliefs as an assault on the kingdom of god, has again been heightened, thus ensuring that the general LDS population will band more strongly together to fight this perceived injustice, persecution, etc. You guys can thank the writers of this play for helping unify TBMs across the country to speak out against this outrage! Oh, stop with your favorite tag line. I am not advocating a persecution complex. Who brought that up besides you? I am not even talking about an "injustice". Have you even been reading this thread?All I said is that this is clearly a mockery and that there were some misrepresentations of the LDS faith.Are the misrepresentations huge? No. They are not. But they are there. Heck, I even see people stating that this broadway play is some sort of jab at the LDS for their stance on Prop 8.....heck, even Trey Parker would have a difficult time making some of this stuff upWeather or not this jab is true or not I cannot say and it is irrelevant that anyone even brought it up. One point for you.
Craig Paxton Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 Bold mine.But I'm not offended, Craig. I'm not worked up. I do take it serious, it's my accepted and chosen religion. I don't like it being mocked. I'm not going to opine in the Salt Lake Tribune, I'm not going to call into a talk radio show and spout off about how evil and vile it is. I'm not going to go along with it as a good natured noogie by my big brothers Matt Stone and Trey Parker. I'm going to tell you I don't like it, defend myself when my consistency of thinking is critiqued (LDSToronto), and tell you I don't like the play when I'm told it's all in good fun.Nyah.Fair Enough...I can respect that...
cinepro Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 Ok, I just remembered something they did get wrong that I think is actually substantial.In the song "All American Prophet" which tells the story of Joseph Smith, it ignores the Book of Mormon witnesses and presents the story as if no one else ever saw the plates.(Moroni after Joseph gets the plates)"But don't let anyone see these plates except for you,They're only for you to see,even if people as you to show the plates to them-Don't!Just copy them onto normal paper.Even though this might make them question if the plates are real or not,this is sort of what God is going for."-------------------------------------------------(Later, as Joseph is dying at Carthage)"Oh, God, why are you letting me die?Without having me show people the plates?They'll have no proof I was telling the truth or not,They'll have to believe it just...causeOh! I guess that's kinda what you were going for...So there.
cinepro Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 Payback for Prop. 8. BernardSo you're saying when Parker and Stone met with their co-creator Robert Lopez in 2006 and formulated the plot and started writing songs, they did so with the knowledge that 2 years hence the LDS Church would be involved an a massive political campaign about gay marriage in California?Too bad they don't give Tony awards for being able to see the future, or they would have had 10.
Jeff K. Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I think it's funny that a bunch of people who haven't even seen the musical can make so many comments about it.H.I suppose you think people have to see porn to know it is wrong to watch?Or are you telling us that the musical doesn't mock our religion? Apparently yours is ok with it.
cinepro Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I suppose you think people have to see porn to know it is wrong to watch?Or are you telling us that the musical doesn't mock our religion? Apparently yours is ok with it.There's nothing wrong with not watching something because you know you won't like it or will be offended. Or even if you just don't have the time or money. Or you just don't want to.I think the problem is when people choose not to watch something but still feel qualified to judge it as if they had seen it. And that's still a problem even if the musical is about The Book of Mormon and you're a member of the CoJCoLdS.
LeSellers Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 So you're saying when Parker and Stone met with their co-creator Robert Lopez in 2006 and formulated the plot and started writing songs, they did so with the knowledge that 2 years hence the LDS Church would be involved an a massive political campaign about gay marriage in California?Too bad they don't give Tony awards for being able to see the future, or they would have had 10.The payback was not the play itself, the payback was the Tony Awards.Lehi
mfbukowski Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I think it's funny that a bunch of people who haven't even seen the musical can make so many comments about it.H.But I suppose it isn't "funny" that a bunch of people who don't know Mormonism can make so many comments about it?
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I think the problem is when people choose not to watch something but still feel qualified to judge it as if they had seen it. And that's still a problem even if the musical is about The Book of Mormon and you're a member of the CoJCoLdS.So of the clip that was posted, do you think that that clip alone, one cannot get a good idea of what the play is about? Do you think other parts wont be so "funny"?I have only judged what I have seen. And all I have seen is the "I believe" song. And what I saw was clearly a mockery.Am I mad? No. Am I offended? No. I am merely stating what I believe to be a fact about this musical. As far as I know, you guys can correct me, but I am willing state that most people that have opined in this thread have at the very least watched the clip. Oh well carry on. This is almost pointless to discuss this further.
KevinG Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I'd say I'm skipping out on the Mormon Musical for reasons of belief of principle. But who am I kidding? I've got 7 kids and can't afford a ticket.Seriously - its from the directors of South Park people! What kind of treatment do we expect?Just look at the throngs of Mormons protesting on Broadway. Oh wait? There aren't any. Which probably bothers Parker and Stone more than anything else. When someone lampoons a group or person they usually hope to get a reaction. Gosh, golly and gee whiz aren't we Mormons boring. Heh.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 But I suppose it isn't "funny" that a bunch of people who don't know Mormonism can make so many comments about it?Good catch. Take that Toronto.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I'd say I'm skipping out on the Mormon Musical for reasons of belief of principle. But who am I kidding? I've got 7 kids and can't afford a ticket.Seriously - its from the directors of South Park people! What kind of treatment do we expect?Just look at the throngs of Mormons protesting on Broadway. Oh wait? There aren't any. Which probably bothers Parker and Stone more than anything else. When someone lampoons a group or person they usually hope to get a reaction. Gosh, golly and gee whiz aren't we Mormons boring. Heh.Ha, this is a great point. One I had not considered.
cinepro Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 The payback was not the play itself, the payback was the Tony Awards.LehiI'm not sure that theory makes any more sense.Specifically, what was the conspiracy that allowed it to win 9 awards for which it wasn't actually qualified, but not win for choreography, costume design, and three acting nominations (while winning the fourth acting nomination)?When "they" got together and agreed to stick it to the Mormons for Prop 8 by giving The Book of Mormon unwarranted Tony Awards (and, in the process, also punishing the higher-quality shows that would lose those awards as a result of this conspiracy), did the Choreographers and Costume Designers not get the memo? And did the voters feel that, no matter how much they wanted to get back at the Mormon Church, they couldn't deny that John Larroquette and Sutton Foster were the best actors in musicals, so it would just be too much to not give them the awards? But the other nine were OK?Indeed, the conspiracy started early with the critical accolades that have been showered on the show since day one. So each of those critics must also be determined to punish the Church for Prop 8 by giving false accolades to a play that doesn't deserve them.The gospel might be wonderfully simple, but conspiracy theories never are.
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