Gene Cook-Mick Jagger airplaine conversation

[volgadon]

GG, have you read Saki's The Secret Sin of Septimus Brope?

Lively little Lucie,

With her naughty nez-retrousse........

[Calm]

GG, have you read Saki's The Secret Sin of Septimus Brope?

Lively little Lucie,

With her naughty nez-retrousse........

For those who do not have a Saki reference on their shelf: http://www.classicreader.com/book/1896/1/

PS: I'm really ticked. Apparently one of my book boxes never made it down here from Canada and my Complete Works of Saki was among them....urgh...can't believe I haven't missed it before now, it's only been 7 years.

[oats]

This quest for truth could have been easily solved if the church was not so bent on covering up its history.

The apostles should have been keeping logs and blogs of their lives for transparency purposes.

[John Larsen]

Even if Jagger said it, and even if he believed it, there is no evidence that Jagger had the ability to do so. What makes anyone believe that the Rolling Stones possessed some kind of advanced psychological kabbalaic knowledge that would allow them to encode the teenage go-code for sex in their silly 3 chord music?

[John Larsen]

Side note, it is nice to know that the Church is footing the bill to fly the brethren around in 1st class.

[volgadon]

Even if Jagger said it, and even if he believed it, there is no evidence that Jagger had the ability to do so. What makes anyone believe that the Rolling Stones possessed some kind of advanced psychological kabbalaic knowledge that would allow them to encode the teenage go-code for sex in their silly 3 chord music?

Yoeally ought to talk to more people who listened to their music in the 60s and 70s.

[ToGo]

Are you seriously comparing the Osmonds to the Stones?

By their works, ye shall know them.

13 year old Donny belting out the lyrics of Double Lovin' to screaming tweens: You'll be begging and crying for more//Double, double lovin//Is what I'm gonna give to you//

and you're gonna receive double pleasure everytime I do//Double, double lovin makes you feel so good inside//And when I double up on my lovin//You're gonna be satisfied

No, I'm not comparing the Osmonds to the Stones, seriously or otherwise.

I simply want to know if anyone that reads this board has ever checked Elder Cook's journals for what entry(ies) they might contain about the conversation with Mick Jagger, particularly the date that it occurred. One poster has said clearly, no. The rest has been sidetracks.

[Redefined]

Rolling Stones music is pretty tame compared to the sexually explicit music we have today. Their songs each could have been said to have different meanings. . . depending on who you are asking. Todays music however is such a different story, I mean listen to a song such as "Right Round" by Flo Rida. . . I don't think it can be interpreted any differently.

[Deborah]

Of all the inane accusations against church leaders this is the inanest.

The GA's travel all over the world and no doubt see many celebrities in their travels and probably talk to some. So to come in here demanding proof is ridiculous.

I was at the airport in L.A. and saw Ray Charles. I might even have written it in my journal.

[rodheadlee]

Does anyone else find the Double Lovin' lyrics to be sexually suggestive?

It's possibly suggestive, it's an Osmond song, so what? Lot's of Rock and Roll is sexually suggestive, some R&R is actually cerebral, some songs are how you take them, not how it was meant to be by the artist. Does Donny grab his crotch when we sings this song like Mick on some of his songs? Or maybe Double Lovin" means doing the dishes twice in one day for your gal?

[Redefined]

It's possibly suggestive, it's an Osmond song, so what? Lot's of Rock and Roll is sexually suggestive, some R&R is actually cerebral, some songs are how you take them, not how it was meant to be by the artist. Does Donny grab his crotch when we sings this song like Mick on some of his songs? Or maybe Double Lovin" means doing the dishes twice in one day for your gal?

Oh, I'm sorry, does Double Lovin' mean something other than that. . .that's what I supposed. . . .

Added. . .

[Pappy Fiddle]

FYI - the reason he grabs his crotch is so he can hit the high notes. This from that source of divine information, my wife.

Pappy

[Garden Girl]

GG, have you read Saki's The Secret Sin of Septimus Brope?

Lively little Lucie,

With her naughty nez-retrousse........

GG

[AKS]

some R&R is actually cerebral,

Actually a good bit of it is. Dream Theater is one such band where the lyrics are smart in many cases. And in the cases where the lyrics arent so smart, the music is always top notch (and never suggestive). Of course I don't think their target audience is the teen aged crowd.

I listened to the Stones when I was a teen. I can't remember ever listening to a song like waiting on a friend or Honky Tonk woman and thinking of sex. I've also never heard of anyone playing the Stones low on the radio in order to get the girlfriend to be more receptive to certain advances either The Rolling Stones simply don't make that kind of music.

[AKS]

Even if Jagger said it, and even if he believed it, there is no evidence that Jagger had the ability to do so. What makes anyone believe that the Rolling Stones possessed some kind of advanced psychological kabbalaic knowledge that would allow them to encode the teenage go-code for sex in their silly 3 chord music?

Exactly!

[Deborah]

It wouldn't have surprised me if Mick Jagger had bragged about what he did, even if he wasn't being literal. He probably was trying to shock a straight-laced Mormon. In listening to the talk though I

[David Bokovoy]

Alright!! Finally a MA&D discussion thread wherein I

[AKS]

Mick Jagger, folks, is extremely well versed in the history and function of Rock and Roll, a term itself which serves as a sexual euphemism for the primary theme behind this musical genre.

I'm not sure if a CFR is in order here. I disagree that the primary theme behind rock music is sexual in nature. Depending on what I'm listening too rock music can certainly evoke a wide range of emotion but rarely if ever is there a sexual response. I think this would make a fascinating thread though.

[jwhitlock]

Why are you more concerned with what one might do with truth than with what the truth may be?

Now you're waffling.

As has been noted, whether this particular incident happened or not is hardly important in the greater scheme of things. Yet you seem to attach great importance to it. Why?

The reason I ask, of course, is that there are enemies of the Church out there who delight in pouncing on any small thing they can in order to trash the Church. They also attach great importance to very small things. Hence, I consider it a very valid question to ask of you.

What are your intentions with this? I'm starting to doubt that it's just to satisfy curiosity.

And another question, since you brought it up: Exactly what circles do you run in where this would come up quite a bit?

[David Bokovoy]

I'm not sure if a CFR is in order here. I disagree that the primary theme behind rock music is sexual in nature. Depending on what I'm listening too rock music can certainly evoke a wide range of emotion but rarely if ever is there a sexual response. I think this would make a fascinating thread though.

Oh, man, in the words of Eliza Dushku, "Bring it On"!!! There's a debate worth having!

While it is true that Rock and Roll has expanded its message into a variety of non sexual themes, including Evangelical Christianity, it 'aint called Rock and Roll for nothing.

[Deborah]

This is venal in a way that Paul H. Dunn's made-up stories were not, as I cannot think of one where Dunn named someone specifically in a disparaging way.

There is a difference between being a public persona and a private citizen. Mick Jagger is a very public and well-known figure, and his lifestyle is well reported and open. Therefore saying that naming him is "venal" is preposterous. It would be very different if Cook were to name his next door neighbor under the same circumstances.

[DanGB]

As has been noted, whether this particular incident happened or not is hardly important in the greater scheme of things.

Amen. Been there, dunn that!

[jwhitlock]

There is a difference between being a public persona and a private citizen. Mick Jagger is a very public and well-known figure, and his lifestyle is well reported and open. Therefore saying that naming him is "venal" is preposterous. It would be very different if Cook were to name his next door neighbor under the same circumstances.

Absolutely. Yet it gives us insight into where the OP is coming from.

[Daniel Peterson]

Even if Jagger said it, and even if he believed it, there is no evidence that Jagger had the ability to do so. What makes anyone believe that the Rolling Stones possessed some kind of advanced psychological kabbalaic knowledge that would allow them to encode the teenage go-code for sex in their silly 3 chord music?

Who believes that?

Side note, it is nice to know that the Church is footing the bill to fly the brethren around in 1st class.

When you fly a lot, you often get bumped up to business. That happens even to peasants like me, occasionally. When you fly a real lot, airlines give you deals to get your business. And also, when you fly a real lot, it makes an enormous difference on a flight from Salt Lake City to Singapore or from Salt Lake City to Perth or from Salt Lake City to Amman.

I don't begrudge them this at all.

[BCSpace]

I, for one, like to sing along with Sympathy for the Devil and am doing so now.

Let's test the point of this silly story (even if it's true) by performing an experient and checking the effect on the libedo of listening to the song above...

Results = "whoo hoo!"...but not a change in sexual desire. Maybe I'm not young enough? Actually, it makes me want to play some music, hit a show somewhere and get into the music, - probably the bass line. I forgot how rockin this song is.

I quite enjoy the song myself. It's cool, it's eloquent, and a cautionary tale. At no point have I said it drives kids to sex (see post #25). I have however, on the other board, mentioned something to the effect that loss of faith often leads people to sin.

Do the Rolling Stones have other songs that lead kids to sex? Yes, and I even mentioned one. How does it accomplish such a thing? Kids in today's society are over sexualized by the constant bombardment of sex being depicted, talked about, and raised as an issue. The Rolling Stones are simply part of that and that includes their lifestyles. Do the Osmonds have a song like that? It appears to be the case imho. I agree with what Cook said. The bottom line? Sex sells. In addition, many people get rebellious and go ballistic when they hear of the law of chastity because they erroneously think their right or opportunities to have sex are being curtailed. Such a notion is a key device in the exmo antimo world which you see on the other board and it's an object lesson for anyone who looks into that cage.