Ouija Boards And Evil Spirits

[tana]

Ouija boards are a mass produced toy from Milton Bradly. It's no different then a monopoly board. It works of your subconscious mind thats why people who have been taught that they are evil have scary experiences and those who are told they answer questions get questions answered.If you do it blindfolded you wont spell out anything because your subconscious still needs your eyes to see where the letters are. Unless it just means the demons are blind without your eyes. which means there in your body . ahhhh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelhq-HTbVI

A person can make one of these things in about five mins to experiment with yourself.....A folded piece of paper balanced on a pointy object....

The psi wheel or energy wheel is another example of something that would probably be considered occult.... But it is simply the energy force around the body making the wheel turn..... Pendulums are another way of communicating with the subconscious mind, as is muscle testing.... Punch any of those into google or u-tube ifn ya have the desire.

Sorry to be brusque here but attributing things unknown to evil spirits to me feels a bit medieval

[ERayR]

Is your dad cinepro?

No but he (my father) was very cognizant that he carrid the priesthood of od at all time and in all places. Other than that I have no explanation. I do know that Ouiji boards responses vary greatly with different people. My parentstaught me that whatever the reason that if there was a chance that it was evil spirits (and there is evil spirits) that one shouldn't ake the chance of opening up ones self to them.

[cjcampbell]

Satan is a liar and a deceiver. He wants you to believe that he has the power to make Ouija boards work. I seriously doubt it. He just convinces you that something is going on. All falsehoods, lies, superstitions and the like come from the father of lies. There is absolutely nothing magical about a Ouija board, throwing salt over your shoulder, or reading the entrails of a chicken.

[tana]

I think this one demonstrates it even better.....

[Sanpitch]

Satan is a liar and a deceiver. He wants you to believe that he has the power to make Ouija boards work. I seriously doubt it. He just convinces you that something is going on. All falsehoods, lies, superstitions and the like come from the father of lies. There is absolutely nothing magical about a Ouija board, throwing salt over your shoulder, or reading the entrails of a chicken.

That is an easy statement to make for those who have not seen a board work. I am skeptic of all religions and spirits and satans. However many years ago I was at my girl friends apartment with her room mates. They were using a Ouija board and told me it really worked. My attitude was as most skeptics, sure it works. They told me to ask it a question that none of them knew the answer so I said, what is the home phone number of my boss at work. None of them even knew the guy but the board spelled out the exact phone number. This can easily be explain as me dreaming or being a liar but for some of us who have experienced it we know different. There is something there and I have no idea what.

[Mudcat]

A particular group of friends in my high school years brought a Ouija board to cemetery. We asked it a few questions.... we were all rather hammered. Somehow we found country cemeteries a safe haven from local law, when we drank.....

The board answered a lot of questions... I don't remember the details, as I was quite hammered. But we asked the board, who was speaking. The board replied "Howard Que".

The following Halloween we were indulging in the spirits(booze) in another cemetery in the county. It was our first time there.

On further investigation...we were drinking upon the grave of none other than one "Howard Que"

We left post haste.

[Honorentheos]

I have a hard time taking a product one can buy off of the same shelf as monopoly seriously as a metaphysical tool of the devil.

Honestly, I personally think that the devil gets way too much credit for the evil done in the world as is, much less the control of a game made for the gullible.

[Tsuzuki]

I want a Ouija board with a "qwerty" layout.

[Mudcat]

I have a hard time taking a product one can buy off of the same shelf as monopoly seriously as a metaphysical tool of the devil.

Honestly, I personally think that the devil gets way too much credit for the evil done in the world as is, much less the control of a game made for the gullible.

C'mom H,

If all we had were Popsicle sticks, Satan would be looking for a way to destroy the Universe with them. He wants to devour us.

You may think I am giving him to much credit though.

[Honorentheos]

C'mom H,

If all we had were Popsicle sticks, Satan would be looking for a way to destroy the Universe with them. He wants to devour us.

You may think I am giving him to much credit though.

Having met a very small cross-section of humanity (percentage wise), but pretty broad I think, I would say, "Yes". The devil gets too much credit for the evil in the world.

We'd be better of in society if we never had the notion that anything "evil" originated outside of the human race. Random tragedies- sure. But evil...it's all us baby.

[DH]

There is absolutely nothing magical about a Ouija board, throwing salt over your shoulder, or reading the entrails of a chicken.

What about throwing salt at the entrails of a chicken? Will that still work for fortunetelling?

I have a hard time taking a product one can buy off of the same shelf as monopoly seriously as a metaphysical tool of the devil.Honestly, I personally think that the devil gets way too much credit for the evil done in the world as is, much less the control of a game made for the gullible.

I agree. People are quite good at getting themselves into trouble without the help of Satan or evil spirits. (Oy, I know this from personal experience. *cringe*)DH

[cinepro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelhq-HTbVI

A person can make one of these things in about five mins to experiment with yourself.....A folded piece of paper balanced on a pointy object....

The psi wheel or energy wheel is another example of something that would probably be considered occult.... But it is simply the energy force around the body making the wheel turn..... Pendulums are another way of communicating with the subconscious mind, as is muscle testing.... Punch any of those into google or u-tube ifn ya have the desire.

Sorry to be brusque here but attributing things unknown to evil spirits to me feels a bit medieval

Sorry, but paper has mass, and there is no "energy field" around the body that affects paper to physically move. The precarious perch of the "psi wheel" makes it susceptible to numerous influences, including static electricity or light air currents; depending on the experiment and the knowledge or ignorance of the performer, it could be done many different ways.

If there really were an "energy field" around the body the exerted enough force to move paper, it would be easy to measure using commonly available instruments. Certainly, we have scales that are sensitive enough that you could just put the paper on the scale and move your hand over it. You wouldn't need to balance the paper under a jar and post the video to YouTube. Use your brain, dude.

My favorite test of people and "auras" involves a very bright 9-year-old, and 21 not-so-bright people who believed they could detect a persons "aura" by touch. It's experiments like this that are most helpful for their simplicity and effectiveness. Something similar could be devised for psi wheels if you really wanted to know.

[Gordon]

For those of you doubting the Ouija boards, let me share with you this true story that happened with me (unless, of course, you wish to call me a liar).

Many years ago, I was at my older sister's house, we (along with some others) decided to try the Ouija board (I believed it to be complete horse dung). We turned out all the lights and lit candles throughout the living room. We started with the most basic questions (like what day is it?). Slowly, and I mean slowly, the pointer started moving. I have to admit that, at first, I thought the others where moving it. It started moving faster, and the others decided not to participate further, so it was just my sister and I. It got to the point that the pointer was moving so fast, that we barely had our fingers on it ( I know that I was hardly touching it anymore, and I could see that my sister's fingers were not pressing down).

At this point, I became emboldened. I started asking question like "does G-d exist?", "is Jesus the Christ?", and "is Joseph Smith a propet?"...I did this not because I was looking for answers, but because I believed it to be a real spirit (and not a friendly one), and I was behaving in a manner similar to one that I might have with an "anti" poster.

I actually don't remember the specific answers given, but rather, I remember the fact that the pointer went flying across the room!

The reason for me sharing this is not to hype the Ouija board (it, of itself, is just a piece of cardboard), but to emphasize, as another poster stated, that if you play with fire, you may get burnt...

[Log]

For those of you doubting the Ouija boards, let me share with you this true story that happened with me (unless, of course, you wish to call me a liar).

I think the difference between a critic and a seeker of truth is the critics' prior assumption of bad faith on the part of those who defend what is being criticized. If they ain't seen it, it's false, because they've seen it all, or in principle can explain it all.

[Gordon]

I think the difference between a critic and a seeker of truth is the critics' prior assumption of bad faith on the part of those who defend what is being criticized. If they ain't seen it, it's false, because they've seen it all, or in principle can explain it all.

Indeed. I definitely fell into this category (in this instance) before I tried it. I did so, in essence, to prove it false...I was wrong.

[Honorentheos]

I think the difference between a critic and a seeker of truth is the critics' prior assumption of bad faith on the part of those who defend what is being criticized. If they ain't seen it, it's false, because they've seen it all, or in principle can explain it all.

I think this is a poor definition of a critic AND a seeker of truth. A priori assumptions about the outcome does not prevent someone from being a seeker of truth. Nor do they prevent a "critic" from also being a seeker of truth. To approach something with a critical eye is not, in itself, wrong. I guarantee that every person, LDS or other, on this site approaches something with built-in negative assumptions that someone else believes in very strongly.

The question is how you deal with the data. If your evidence is weak and you are presented with a strong contradiction to your theory, do you revise your theory?

Now, someone shows up on the board and suggests they have had experience with Ouiji boards that indicate that it was being controlled by an evil spirit. Yet what does said spirit do? If I was an evil spirit, would I be moving a piece of cardboard around if someone invited me into their living room?

Take Gordon's example- is it unfair to think that his sister basically set him up? Based on the evidence, I would say no. Critical? Yes. Not seeking truth? Maybe, but only because there is none to be found in this kind of anecdote posted on a message board like that. Not saying he lied. But I know how older sisters work.

Which, now that I think about it, may give some credence to his story about an evil spirit controlling the game...

[cjcampbell]

That is an easy statement to make for those who have not seen a board work. I am skeptic of all religions and spirits and satans. However many years ago I was at my girl friends apartment with her room mates. They were using a Ouija board and told me it really worked. My attitude was as most skeptics, sure it works. They told me to ask it a question that none of them knew the answer so I said, what is the home phone number of my boss at work. None of them even knew the guy but the board spelled out the exact phone number. This can easily be explain as me dreaming or being a liar but for some of us who have experienced it we know different. There is something there and I have no idea what.

I have seen them 'work.' I will stand by my statement that the most satanic thing about a Ouija board is that it is a fraud and a deception.

[emeliza]

I have had a 'weird' experience with the Ouija board. I was in middle school at a friend's house. There were 5 of us girls in the house alone. We were just all hanging out. We played with the board and it was just sort of a joke. It felt really bad though (but that could have been my own thoughts rather than anything else.) However the microwave in the kitchen and the TV in the next room turned on at the same moment the toilet flushed. No one was any those three rooms. It scared us and we quit playing with it. I didn't think much of the questions as we were young girls and just being stupid with the board.

I did use the board a few other times with some younger cousins and I don't recall it even working, but that one time was always lingering over me and now I won't use one. I don't see the point in the game since it makes me uneasy, even though I still have doubts that it was anything other than that girls house going crazy for a moment.

[Flyonthewall]

I believe it is not so much the Ouija board, as much as it is those who use it. The board is an inanimate object, made with ordinary materials, and has no special properties to it. Those who use it invite any evil spirits that may "show up", to be there.

The only thing I could say, is don't send out the invite, whether it be with the Ouija board or through acts of sin.

[John Larsen]

If they ain't seen it, it's false, because they've seen it all, or in principle can explain it all.

Funny, I think the difference between a critic and a believer it the believer's prior assumption of bad faith on the part of the critic.

If they ain't seen it, it's false, because they've seen it all, or in principle can explain it all.

Since you levied this criticism, I would assume that you hold everything that you "ain't seen" as true. All paranormal and metaphysical claims must be assumed true, no matter how outlandish, to keep out of "bad faith".

[Log]

Funny, I think the difference between a critic and a believer it the believer's prior assumption of bad faith on the part of the critic.

I respect your claim to think that. I think nobody can positively affirm that another fails to think what he claims to think.

Since you levied this criticism, I would assume that you hold everything that you "ain't seen" as true. All paranormal and metaphysical claims must be assumed true, no matter how outlandish, to keep out of "bad faith".

I have to concede that I don't know a priori that they're false, even if I am emotionally biased against most of them - all of them are therefore potentially true, since how I feel about something does not impact said something's ontological status. If I were to assume, a priori, all such claims were false, not only would I be an arrogant jerk, but I would also partake of a condition labelled "invincible ignorance" in other contexts - no possible evidence can be brought to bear on the truth of the proposition since it the propostion is axiomatically false. This, I fear, is the case with many critics in my observation.

[tana]

Sorry, but paper has mass, and there is no "energy field" around the body that affects paper to physically move. The precarious perch of the "psi wheel" makes it susceptible to numerous influences, including static electricity or light air currents; depending on the experiment and the knowledge or ignorance of the performer, it could be done many different ways.

If there really were an "energy field" around the body the exerted enough force to move paper, it would be easy to measure using commonly available instruments. Certainly, we have scales that are sensitive enough that you could just put the paper on the scale and move your hand over it. You wouldn't need to balance the paper under a jar and post the video to YouTube. Use your brain, dude.

My favorite test of people and "auras" involves a very bright 9-year-old, and 21 not-so-bright people who believed they could detect a persons "aura" by touch. It's experiments like this that are most helpful for their simplicity and effectiveness. Something similar could be devised for psi wheels if you really wanted to know.

To me, trying to intimidate by derogatory comments [use your brain dude] even if your argument is the winner isn't in my book an endearing quality

You may very well be right....as to it being static electricity that is moving the wheel. I hadn't really researched it that much.... I think that we can both agree that it is not being moved by evil spirits tho right? Which is exactly the point I was trying to make....in keeping with the topic of this thread....

Ah yes....I remember the amazing Randi. Famous debunk-er and ungunker of all things paranormal....Basically believes in no things spiritual....Pretty obvious he has no regard for J.S. or even J.C. ......but again, that's not what this thread is about....

[Rob Osborn]

No, his experience does not satisfy the criteria for many different reasons. Not the least of which is that it is an unverifiable posting on an internet message board.

If even just the test with the guessing of colors could be duplicated with proper controls, then you would have something.

Cinepro,

You may not know me and may not care to but let me tell you this. As a witness of the darkside power, the ouija board is a devils tool to direct his powers on earth! I have seen things with mine own eyes that I cannot explain and I have a very rational and methodical thinking process. You may disbelieve all you want but I know as sure as Christ does live that ouija boards are real and have powers from the unseen world when channeled correctly! I will never come close to one of those evil boards ever again!

It can tell the truth of ones immediate thoughts 100% of the time if asked- even if the individual is not around! My mother in law when she was young played with one and was so disturbed by it she picked it up and tore it in half and destroyed it. The next morning the board was in perfect condition sitting on her table! This stuff is no joke! I have seen unexpalinable phenomena with the use of these wicked boards!

[consiglieri]

I don't see the point in the game since it makes me uneasy, even though I still have doubts that it was anything other than that girls house going crazy for a moment.

That's a really cool story!

Legend (?) has it that the movie "The Exorcist" was based on an actual story of possession that began with seemingly harmless playing around with a ouija board.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[Doctor Steuss]

Not everything that comes from a Ouija board is bad. If it wasn't for a Ouija board, we wouldn't have Mars Volta's last album.

In a field of balding marble

Where the medicine awaits...

Wait... on second thought, maybe some things from Ouija boards aren't that good.