Did we land on the moon?

[Tacenda]

16 hours ago, Calm said:

Oh wow, sorry this is happening.  It is not concerning in itself since most things do not require the acceptance of this particular fact, but the problem is if they apply the same reasoning to other things.  I can see why it’s not just something you feel amused by, like an obsession with Lord of the Rings for example (because that is a sensible obsession).  
 

How invested are they in this?  Is it just the novelty perhaps?  They like to argue?

They are probably getting information from hoards of people that think the same, but they don't care if I disagree. Good kids, just want them to check the facts, which I've told them to look into. Edited: They are dead set on believing the info about Buzz Aldrin not reaching the moon. 

Edited April 24 by Tacenda

[bluebell]

30 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

They are probably getting information from hoards of people that think the same, but they don't care if I disagree. Good kids, just want them to check the facts, which I've told them to look into. Edited: They are dead set on believing the info about Buzz Aldrin not reaching the moon. 

Is it because of that one video where he stumbles over his words and people edit it to make it look like he said we didn't go to the moon?

[Tacenda]

15 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Is it because of that one video where he stumbles over his words and people edit it to make it look like he said we didn't go to the moon?

I'm thinking so. But I haven't really talked much, they act like I'm the dumb one.

[Tacenda]

This is the guy that I've been following and sharing my thoughts with that he's wrong about Buzz Aldrin saying he hadn't been to the moon. He just keeps coming up with different conspiracy theories. I remember going to a park in Bountiful, Utah several years ago where he spoke at a freedom festival of sorts and he was a big Trump supporter. He no longer is and I thought he'd maybe decide facts are real, but he's a moon landing denier and posts videos of different things that pertain to that unbelief. He believes the government is out to get us, recently the chem trails being another one and posting videos of it. But hey, sometimes I tilt toward what he's saying thinking I may be wrong too. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AvVHdZrSa/

[bluebell]

18 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I'm thinking so. But I haven't really talked much, they act like I'm the dumb one.

I have a coworker that trotted that one out a while back.  If you watch the entire video he later acknowledges that we went to the moon.  Here's a transcript of the second part of the video but you can watch it if you google it.  He's talking about why we never went back after Apollo 17:

"Money. It's a good thing. If you want to buy new things, new rockets, instead of keep doing the same thing over and over, then it's going to cost more money. And other things need more money too. So having achieved what the president wanted us to do... and then what thousands, millions of people in America, and millions of people around the world ... You know when we toured around the world after we came back [from the moon] the most fascinating observation was signs that said "WE did it." Not just us. But we, the world. They felt like they were part of what we were able to do. And that made us feel very good."

He was really old when he gave this interview and that's most of the problem.  He rambles and isn't very clear.  But many other times throughout his life he is very clear.

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6 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

This is the guy that I've been following and sharing my thoughts with that he's wrong about Buzz Aldrin saying he hadn't been to the moon. He just keeps coming up with different conspiracy theories. I remember going to a park in Bountiful, Utah several years ago where he spoke at a freedom festival of sorts and he was a big Trump supporter. He no longer is and I thought he'd maybe decide facts are real, but he's a moon landing denier and posts videos of different things that pertain to that unbelief. He believes the government is out to get us, recently the chem trails being another one and posting videos of it. But hey, sometimes I tilt toward what he's saying thinking I may be wrong too. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AvVHdZrSa/

I read a quote the other day that said "Anything is a conspiracy theory if you are stupid", which isn't a very product way to put it but it gets right to the meat of the problem.  If you don't actually know what you are talking about, or don't have the knowledge and understanding you need for the topic, then you will never have the information or ability you need to personally vet it. 

"This doesn't make sense to me" is not the standard that we should be using to find facts in a world where calculus and physics are necessary to understand a whole lot about our technology and the natural world.  Most of us are just not smart enough to be able to use the science and the math to prove these things are true and so we have to rely on other people.  The problem is when we rely on other people that also aren't smart enough to figure this stuff out but are too dumb to realize it.

 

[Calm]

3 hours ago, bluebell said:

Most of us are just not smart enough to be able to use the science and the math to prove these things are true and so we have to rely on other people.

I prefer “uneducated” to “stupid” and “not smart enough” as closer to reality.   A lot of people don’t get the math because they had mediocre or rotten teachers.  I have had a wide range of math teachers and the good ones make sure everyone in the class gets it before moving on with multiple quizzes for every section, etc.  But most just teach on schedule and once you fall behind in math, it’s hard to keep up.

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2 hours ago, Calm said:

I prefer “uneducated” to “stupid” and “not smart enough” as closer to reality.   A lot of people don’t get the math because they had mediocre or rotten teachers.  I have had a wide range of math teachers and the good ones make sure everyone in the class gets it before moving on with multiple quizzes for every section, etc.  But most just teach on schedule and once you fall behind in math, it’s hard to keep up.

True. And most don’t go on to take calculus and physics because it’s not relevant to their future plans. But then these same people (with a basic understanding of math, science, and engineering) sometimes think they know better than actual mathematician and physicists. 

[Calm]

6 minutes ago, bluebell said:

True. And most don’t go on to take calculus and physics because it’s not relevant to their future plans. But then these same people (with a basic understanding of math, science, and engineering) sometimes think they know better than actual mathematician and physicists. 

Yes, this is a big issue.  Not knowing enough of a field to know what you don’t know and assuming the lack of detailed technical knowledge doesn’t make a difference.

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17 hours ago, Calm said:

Yes, this is a big issue.  Not knowing enough of a field to know what you don’t know and assuming the lack of detailed technical knowledge doesn’t make a difference.

I think this is where the conspiracy theory mindset comes in.  

It's like the guy who believed the earth was flat who concocted a simple experiment with lasers and lights to prove he was right, but ended up proving that the earth is round when the experiment showed it's curvature.  This kind of experiment had been done many times before over the years, from kids science classes to hi-tech physics stuff and he had access to those findings.  But he refused to believe they were real despite all the facts he had access to.

(and he still refused to believe it even after he proved it himself, showing how strong and unyielding bias can be)

[Calm]

2 hours ago, bluebell said:

's like the guy who believed the earth was flat who concocted a simple experiment with lasers and lights to prove he was right, but ended up proving that the earth is round when the experiment showed it's curvature

Did he even realize he had done it or did he just not understand the implications of his experiment?  
 

No doubt eventually he would have been confronted by someone informing him what he had actually done, but I wonder if it didn’t register until afterwards…and he just then chalked it up to how real facts were all distorted anyway. 
 

I can’t remember why they believe anyone would perpetuate the error/fraud of the world being round, what motivation could have been. 

Edited April 25 by Calm

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

Did he even realize he had done it or did he just not understand the implications of his experiment?  
 

No doubt eventually he would have been confronted by someone informing him what he had actually done, but I wonder if it didn’t register until afterwards…and he just then chalked it up to how real facts were all distorted anyway. 
 

I can’t remember why they believe anyone would perpetuate the error/fraud of the world being round, what motivation could have been. 

He realized it but then came up with an explanation of why it didn't actually prove what he had said it would prove.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Curve#:~:text=Behind the Curve is a,attendees from around the globe.

You can watch the documentary on netflix I think (or maybe it was peacock or hulu?  I don't remember anymore).

[Calm]

45 minutes ago, bluebell said:

He realized it but then came up with an explanation of why it didn't actually prove what he had said it would prove.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Curve#:~:text=Behind the Curve is a,attendees from around the globe.

You can watch the documentary on netflix I think (or maybe it was peacock or hulu?  I don't remember anymore).

Thanks for the info.  I probably won’t watch it as it will make me too frustrated right now.

I watched a in-depth video by one flat earther doing an experiment at a lake iirc.  Had to go and refresh my math to remind myself where he had gone wrong.  Would be convincing if one didn’t have the additional context and the ability to go looking for it.  I respect those who do the actual work to prove their theories, I don’t get the ones who passively absorb it.  I know there are payoffs for thinking that way that are important to them.  It is just irrational to me in this day and age to want to make things so complicated.   There is no beauty in it.

[Tony uk]

I think people may watch a movie or a TV series, and enjoy it. All tho they know it is acted, and made with cameras, and lighting and so on.

 When something happens in the real world do so speak. Especially when it is something on a grand scale, never before achieved or since. Ot may become easy for people to question the reality of what has happened. The moon landing for one, also religion, brings questions to debate if it really happened or not.

[InCognitus]

I'm late to this thread topic, but I followed the recent Artemis II mission closely because the NASA space missions and especially the moon missions have been of high interest to me since I was a kid the 60's.  

One thing that stood out to me about the Artemis II mission was that it was really easy to connect with the crew members.  The frequent live streaming coverage of the mission helped the entire world get to know them, and the crew members were good at articulating the human experience of the mission.  And nothing brings this point home better than the brief interview they had at Ellington Airport near NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston on Saturday, April 11, 2026 (the day after their splashdown). 

I watched the whole event when it was live streamed, but since that time a few more concise videos have been posted on YouTube, including this one below.  If you forward to about the five minute mark, it gets you right to the part where each member of the crew shares some brief remarks.  You can tell that each of them was emotionally moved by their experience, and sometimes in a spiritual way, and it had a profound impact on each of them and their perspective of who we are on this earth.  I especially liked the remarks by Christina Koch and her changed perspective about our life on earth.  It's worth watching!  Here it is:

 

[Tacenda]

On 5/12/2026 at 5:20 PM, InCognitus said:

I'm late to this thread topic, but I followed the recent Artemis II mission closely because the NASA space missions and especially the moon missions have been of high interest to me since I was a kid the 60's.  

One thing that stood out to me about the Artemis II mission was that it was really easy to connect with the crew members.  The frequent live streaming coverage of the mission helped the entire world get to know them, and the crew members were good at articulating the human experience of the mission.  And nothing brings this point home better than the brief interview they had at Ellington Airport near NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston on Saturday, April 11, 2026 (the day after their splashdown). 

I watched the whole event when it was live streamed, but since that time a few more concise videos have been posted on YouTube, including this one below.  If you forward to about the five minute mark, it gets you right to the part where each member of the crew shares some brief remarks.  You can tell that each of them was emotionally moved by their experience, and sometimes in a spiritual way, and it had a profound impact on each of them and their perspective of who we are on this earth.  I especially liked the remarks by Christina Koch and her changed perspective about our life on earth.  It's worth watching!  Here it is:

 

Thanks for sharing!