The Nehor Posted January 12 Posted January 12 5 hours ago, JVW said: You speak like rich people don't commit any crimes... Rich people tend to commit very different kinds of crimes. Still, should probably get rid of richness while we get rid of poverty too. 5 hours ago, JVW said: Also, how does one fix poverty? I'm pretty sure govt has been working on fixing that since govt existed during the era of the dinosaurs and cavemen and no solution has been found yet. LOL, no. Just no. Governments for virtually all of human history have not been trying to end poverty. The idea that governments exist to help all the people they rule over is a very recent idea. Also for most of recorded history even if you had somehow equally distributed wealth that equal distribution would have been above but not that high above subsistence levels. In a bad year it would have been below subsistence levels. It lead to inaccuracies to take the kinds of governments that exist today with their priorities and push them on pre-modern societies. Governments exist primarily to inflict violence on enemies and control or channel or mitigate internal violence (usually by inflicting violence).
Calm Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) 9 hours ago, JVW said: no solution has been found yet. That both works well enough that risk is low and people in charge and/or in general have been willing to pay for…. Free birth control helps, for example. But of course it can’t solve the problem on its own. And since one type of birth control is both free and accessible to all (abstinence), some people think it’s not fair to have to pay for others’ pleasure, sex is not seen as a right (which it isn’t, but some things should be subsidized just because it makes sense, imo, like health and public transportation). Kind of short sighted imo since birth control is tons cheaper than paying for the unplanned kids later and much better than abortion. No one solution works on its own and it takes time and consistency and figuring out what combo works, something government in the US doesn’t invest in well, imo. ***Abstinence is not available to all either as some will have partners.that force them and then there are rapists, but I am speaking generally here. Then there are those who even with free birth control won’t plan ahead (teens too nervous to ask for it, adults who miscalculate, etc), but still free birth control drops a lot of unplanned pregnancies for unmarried and low income families if made easily accessible (free but hard to get isn’t much better than not free imo). Edited January 13 by Calm 1
The Nehor Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Calm said: ***Abstinence is not available to all either as some will have partners.that force them and then there are rapists, but I am speaking generally here. Those are both rape.
Calm Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Those are both rape. Would you view it as rape if it was emotional pressure on the level of “if you love me, you will….”? (Not challenge, serious question, I don’t know if usage has changed) Not being dismissive of how inappropriate and selfish and wrong that tactic is, I just have a very hard time with lumping that in with physical restraint and assault. I would prefer different labels so as the latter doesn’t lose its horror like some terms have that have broaden their application. Edited January 13 by Calm 1
rodheadlee Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) And some people make babies to increase their race or demographic sector and to increase their government benefits. They write songs about it. Edited January 13 by rodheadlee
The Nehor Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 3 hours ago, rodheadlee said: And some people make babies to increase their race or demographic sector No they don’t do that part. Virtually no one is having children as part of some kind of racial or demographic struggle. That is conspiracy nonsense that is reducing a group to a hivemind fixated on some long term plan for domination and denies the people in that group personhood as unique individuals with agency making reproductive decisions. This is conspiracy rubbish designed to make people fear and/or hate the supposed group that is going to displace them or whatever. It is good for winning elections and selling things but bad for society as a whole. 3 hours ago, rodheadlee said: and to increase their government benefits. They write songs about it. And does this somehow result in a net gain for them after factoring in the 18 years of labor needed to raise the child? Probably not. Edited January 13 by The Nehor
rodheadlee Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 1/12/2026 at 10:34 PM, The Nehor said: No they don’t do that part. Virtually no one is having children as part of some kind of racial or demographic struggle. That is conspiracy nonsense that is reducing a group to a hivemind fixated on some long term plan for domination and denies the people in that group personhood as unique individuals with agency making reproductive decisions. This is conspiracy rubbish designed to make people fear and/or hate the supposed group that is going to displace them or whatever. It is good for winning elections and selling things but bad for society as a whole. And does this somehow result in a net gain for them after factoring in the 18 years of labor needed to raise the child? Probably not. Boy are you naive.
Calm Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, rodheadlee said: Boy are you naive. Have you met people who state this is what they are doing? Or just heard about them? Knowing a few people who have gotten benefits for kids with disabilities as well as fostering, the help from the government has never covered all the costs they have, let alone the time and energy they put into caring for their kids. Also knew a lot of families who used WIC when I was newly married in the 80s. It never covered all needs. Given the cost of living these days, I just don’t see how it’s any easier now than when I knew these families 30, 20 years ago. If someone thinks they are going to have an easier life by having kids, they are in for a rude awakening. Canada was better in providing support while we were there, but still not that great of quality of life if that was the major source of income. Quote They write songs about it. Am very interested (sincerely curious as this is out of my realm of experience) to hear them as the only ones that come close that I have come across are satire or protest songs that reject those claims. Do you have some titles? Edited January 16 by Calm 2
The Nehor Posted January 16 Posted January 16 10 hours ago, rodheadlee said: Boy are you naive. LOL, no. I just know how humans actually think and don’t imagine that “foreigners” are a hive mind bent on world domination because of conspiracy theory nonsense. 2
sunstoned Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 On 1/12/2026 at 8:32 PM, rodheadlee said: And some people make babies to increase their race or demographic sector and to increase their government benefits. They write songs about it. Do you seriously believe this? It sounds like another alt-right racist conspiracy theory. 2
The Nehor Posted January 17 Posted January 17 40 minutes ago, sunstoned said: Do you seriously believe this? It sounds like another alt-right racist conspiracy theory. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! It is the Great Replacement theory that “the other” is going to replace us unless we mass produce pure blood babies! 1
rodheadlee Posted January 19 Posted January 19 (edited) On 1/16/2026 at 3:53 PM, sunstoned said: Do you seriously believe this? It sounds like another alt-right racist conspiracy theory. It's a personal observation. When cashing a check at the bank and a person in front of me cashes a welfare check that is twice as large as my monthly check for working 40 hours per week it really makes me crabby. How many kids do you have to have to draw 6400 a month? PS, I got a 30% raise since Trump was elected. Edited January 19 by rodheadlee
rodheadlee Posted January 19 Posted January 19 (edited) A small example is the song Hotstepper. I don't have time to hunt up more, about to go to work. It's more effective if you watch the video. Edited January 19 by rodheadlee 1
The Nehor Posted January 19 Posted January 19 2 hours ago, rodheadlee said: It's a personal observation. When cashing a check at the bank and a person in front of me cashes a welfare check that is twice as large as my monthly check for working 40 hours per week it really makes me crabby. How many kids do you have to have to draw 6400 a month? PS, I got a 30% raise since Trump was elected. I’ll take “Things that didn’t happen” for $100 Alex. -1
bluebell Posted January 19 Posted January 19 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: I’ll take “Things that didn’t happen” for $100 Alex. It's anecdotal for sure but I've never felt that Rod was a liar. Maybe better to just assume it happened (or remain neutral on it) while addressing reasons that one experience isn't indicative of the majority. 2
The Nehor Posted January 19 Posted January 19 1 hour ago, bluebell said: It's anecdotal for sure but I've never felt that Rod was a liar. Maybe better to just assume it happened (or remain neutral on it) while addressing reasons that one experience isn't indicative of the majority. There was a scam going around last summer about a $6400 a month government subsidy check. What it was a subsidy for varied. Some in the right wing latched onto this supposed subsidy to scream about how welfare was giving layabouts more than hard-working people. The whole thing was a myth. The amount matching exactly that old myth is suspicious. Then his being in a bank and the person in front of him somehow loudly cashing a government welfare check in a way that communicates it was a government welfare or subsidy check and was for that amount would be deeply weird. Bank transactions aren’t exactly private but you generally don’t overhear them nor are you close enough to see names on checks. Hence, #suspicious
rodheadlee Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 8 hours ago, The Nehor said: I’ll take “Things that didn’t happen” for $100 Alex. Google: are there a lot of empty houses in Silicon Valley that were bought up by the Chinese? Then Google how many times Chinese enter the United States in the last 10 years to have a US citizen child. Edited January 20 by rodheadlee
rodheadlee Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Nehor said: I’ll take “Things that didn’t happen” for $100 Alex. So you have to resort to calling me a liar? What a guy. FYI that woman was right in front of me I was next in line, I'm pretty tall. I could see right over her shoulder, It wasn't 6400 exact. It was crowded. I guess it was welfare check day. I never go to that bank I had to to make sure the guy that paid me didn't stiff me and take it from his bank in cash and put it in my bank. Edited January 20 by rodheadlee
The Nehor Posted January 20 Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: Google: are there a lot of empty houses in Silicon Valley that were bought up by the Chinese? Then Google how many times Chinese enter the United States in the last 10 years to have a US citizen child. Which isn’t relevant to anything I said in the post you quoted or what I was responding to. Also I am confused as to how the Chinese with their abysmal birth rate and only their wealthiest employing this tactic are somehow going to replace the current population of the United States if you are trying to argue the Great Replacement thing being real. 5 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: So you have to resort to calling me a liar? What a guy. I am saying your story is ridiculous. If you are going to posture as if that somehow impugned your honor or something that is also silly. 1
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