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1- I agree 2- his brother has nothing to do with this other than precedence. He didn’t go to byu so that school couldn’t give two flips about a mission 3-the shortened mission if it happens is absolutely byu related. This is the university of the church he committed to a two year mission for (or will have). If he quits the mission to play ball at BYU, the church is in a tough spot as to whether they admit him. If they do they will basically give approval going forward to lie to the church about your intentions. That can be a game changer for all males. It essentially will give them cultural approval to quit a mission for any reason. The church’s own website states a full mission for males is two years. By allowing him to quit and play ball at their school, they become all bark and no bite. That is getting others fired up because if allowed, it is a clear double standard. Two years for all males unless you play football really well. If so maybe a year and a huge paycheck too.

I’m pretty sure you don’t get to choose a 1yr service mission. Last I heard those are reserved for those who can not serve full time proselytizing missions. Usually due to medical/mental or other situation-not a football scholarship. of the 60% ish who just up and quit? Yep. Those with med issues different story. If someone who doesn’t go on a mission at all is deemed to be a piece of crap and a disobedient person, then someone who comes home early just to quit is no better. They wasted their parents money and the church’s time. yea I would. If he said he was going to serve two years and basically lied because he is quitting at one year. Yea for the record I think the whole church culture surrounding missions, honorable vs dishonorable release, served two years, bribing kids to go on missions, girls not marrying guys because they are not rm, leaders saying out one side their mouth you have to go and in the next sentence say they missions are optional… the whole game is a complete circus. All this drama over trying to trauma bond boys to the church. It is a dismal failure cuz about half the rms ( you know the only guys worth a damn to the church) are leaving the church after their missions. Whats going on out there? The program is backfiring. The issue is not if he leaves the mission early. Hell half the kids quit nowadays anyway. The issue is if BYU will accept him after he committed to two years and then he up and quits so he can play football. If they allow it (the church is in full control if he actually ends up at byu) then they will have forever changed the culture of missionary service and will essentially be rewarding a return missionary for lying about his intended term of service. I’m pretty sure that isn’t the example they are looking for. Problem is they want this QB so they are gonna play his game and the church will continue to shame those who come home early for other than illness or emergencies. The Shaming will come from mission presidents, stake presidents, bishops, families girlfriends etc. the organization will stand by and allow it to continue because it helps keep some in the field.

This particular discussion is about Ryder Lyons. Brand new pick for qb for byu. Read the very first post of the op.

On paper, the church has not changed its stance on serving all two years for males. Where they change their stance is if their star qb quits his mission to go to byu to play football. If they let him come back after bailing on his mission early- they give their blessing to everyone to do it. Id be fine with that. It is just a double standard and that would be the official beginning of the end for the missionary program as we know it. Everything is optional. I bet elder holland hasn’t changed a bit. He probably still has much disdain for mission quitters.

Another gem from ETB: “The Lord wants every young man to serve a full-time mission. Presently only a third of the eligible young men in the Church are serving full-time missions. This is not pleasing to the Lord. We can do better. We must do better. Not only should a mission be regarded as a priesthood duty, but every young man should look forward to this experience with great joy and anticipation. A young man can do nothing more important. School can wait. Scholarships can be deferred. Occupational goals can be postponed. Yes, even temple marriage should wait until after a young man has served an honorable full-time mission for the Lord. Now, why do I mention this to you young women this evening? Because you can have a positive influence in motivating young men to serve full-time missions. Let the young men of your acquaintance know that you expect them to assume their missionary responsibilities, that you personally want them to serve in the mission field, because you know that’s where the Lord wants them. Avoid steady dating with a young man prior to the time of his mission call. If your relationship with him is more casual, then he can make that decision to serve more easily and also can concentrate his full energies on his missionary work instead of the girlfriend back home. And after he returns honorably from his mission, he will be a better husband and father and priesthood holder, having first served a full-time mission.” https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1986/10/to-the-young-women-of-the-church?lang=eng Note the second paragraph…

Just thought I’d throw this out there: ”Fulfilling Your Term of Service Missionaries are expected to serve their full term of service (24 months for elders and 18 months for sisters). Please do not ask your mission president to release you earlier than your assigned release date. Use the provided tools to plan when your stake president should submit your recommendation to help avoid timing issues when you return home.” https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/callings/mission/mission-timing?lang=eng

They were going to let you go four months early for school? That’s quite a bit different than a year.

I don’t disagree with you and I think people should be happy. The church’s position is gays shouldn’t marry because they cannot procreate with each other. They are not concerned with the gay couples happiness. I’d think if Adam and Michael can create a world and populate it, a same sex couple can populate one in the afterlife as well. *** correction Jehova and Michael

Common consent- yes. Just because the leaders don’t have the membership give their gratuitous vote in the affirmative, doesn’t mean Jesus didn’t tell the prophet to do it. why post the positive echo chamber stuff? Makes for boring convo if everyone agrees. Makes discussion pointless. Go look at the lds or latterdaysaints sub reddits. They only allow pretty much echo chamber stuff and they are dead convos. At least here you can post negative or contrary info. I know I’m not real fond of the church leadership at most times, but I’m not a real fan of gas lighting, lying, favoritism and mental gymnastics. I do try to post the truth though. Lots of people to include my own TBM family hate any truth that doesn’t support the party line. They are more in line with Boyd k packers concept of not sharing negative info if it isn’t faith promoting- even if it is true.

You said they were gonna let young go several months early. How many months is “several.”

I’m sure it has been worked out for him to not get any blowback at byu for quitting early. Also as I understand it, a scholarship deferral (for mission service) at byu is for two years. Early return requires reapplication. If that is true, then a deal has surely been worked out wink wink. Get “a pass” forgive my phone for it autocorrects at its own discretion

Would he have helped you leave an entire year early? I seriously doubt it sure there’s a few people who have been let off the hook a couple months early to start school. How many months was “several” in your case.

They should be afforded the same rights as say elder oaks and pres Nelson. Both have remarried since their first wives passed away. Neither of these marriages can/will result in children being born. Why do they get to be married and enjoy the “benefits” of marriage when they cannot have children annd definitely wouldn’t be allowed to adopt due to age? Oaks second wife was 53 when they married… she isn’t having kids at 53. Why did they marry? Pres Nelson’s wife was 56… yep no chance of having kids. May as well be gay.

I’m pretty sure in this case his athletic status at byu is the only thing the church will care about. No one else will get passed like this unless they are “special “ like him. Do you think the church or a mission president or any church leader would encourage your average Peter priesthood missionary to leave a mission early just to go to school, or join the military etc? I doubt it. The mission presidents job is to keep you there at pretty much any cost. Why? Because they can’t have missionaries just Willy nilly leaving their missions by choice. Creates a staffing headache and also a shaming headache at home. Will concede though that quitting your mission early for pretty much any reason doesn’t carry the stigma it once did. We just had a kid come home after just seven months and they had a homecoming for him. I have never seen that and we had an approximate quit rate of about sixty percent in my last stake. Those kids came home and you never saw them again. Shame shame like gomer Pyle says.

Looks like elder holland had made it clear to missionaries at the mtc what the church thinks of missionaries who do not complete their missions for reasons other than medical, emergencies or tragedies. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3s5Wq4Z4kMk

The fact they vote as to whether or not a revelation will be followed tells us all they don’t even take themselves seriously. If they really think that is the way to go then what do we need them for? After all they are on record being wrong a number of times so yea they are kinda useless. Not to mention other times they have lied to the membership. Who knows what to trust with these guys.

I’m fairly confident the only concern the church has is how this benefits the church. Sports (Football) at BYU is more important than pretty much anything else esp if you have a star Mormon player. I mean look at what they pay the coach ($3mm /yr) He is the highest paid employee of the church. Whatever brings in the money. As for anyone else’s career aspirations I don’t see the church openly stating yea well if you want to start work or college earlier, just tell us how many months you want to serve if at all. Any adjustment will be according to how much revenue or goodwill (Donny osmond) you can bring in. They didn’t even give archuleta a pass. They prob already figured he is gay anyway and according to elder Bednar there are no gay members of the church.. so

It isn’t an impression of favoritism, it literally is favoritism.

Apparently the church approves of Charlie bird’s gay marriage. To my knowledge he and his husband/wife are active members still in Idaho and have callings in their ward. if they still have the same status then the church obviously approves. or the first presidency does not have the fortitude or conviction in their beliefs to compel a local leader to EX them just as they have done to many others for much less. the bishop in this article is apparently correct. Just following the example of the leaders of the church.

Not trying to counter, just saying that despite the GA leadership telling us we can get our own revelation, they are not shy about saying “yea that’s nice, your revelation is fake.” Revelation a member received is just as valid as the revelation they received in the past about blacks and the priesthood (ban) or the salamander letter for example.

I think the church would agree for example that if a member was to file fraudulent disclosures with the government along with affirmations they are true would be evil and a violation of not only many tenets of Mormon teachings but a violation of the ten commandments as well. It is not being honest with your fellow man and can and should result in the revocation of a temple recommend. when the church does it.? Good to go. This matter is closed.

True…, but then we have apostles who say this: To illustrate his point, Mr. Oaks told a story about some church members whose LDS parents claimed to have received a revelation which stated that they no longer were required to tithe or attend church. When asked to comment, Mr. Oaks said, “Well, I don’t question your parents’ revelation, but they got it from the wrong source.” [-1:21:20]

Esp in respects to hey I received a revelation from the Lord! We need to have a vote to decide if we are going to obey him. the leadership is pathetic… full of excuses and no one is in charge… no one