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Ok so "fabricated" was used as a term of legal art, not a transphobic Freudian slip.

Many thanks, very welcome information. I turned 57 this year, I think my body has aged out aged my body. Apart from a health issue that I have with my blood since childhood. I have managed to pick up a hernia, operated on. And the onset of arthritis in various parts of anatomy. It would seem that I am a walking disaster at times.

No but you want to ban ALL transgenders from using the bathroom that fits their sexuality. Would you be interested in banning all bishops from attending church? The list of Mormon bishops who have groomed and actually had sex with minors is way longer than your list of performances. Should we compare lists and then decide who gets to use bathrooms and who is allowed in churches?

So if a person doesn’t have a legal name, that individual doesn’t have an actual name? Legally? No. But since everyone does have a legal name these days... Again, I was speaking in a legal sense. "Actual" = "legally recognized." "Fabricated" = "not legally recognized." Thanks, -Smac

So are you consistent on this? I think so. Discipline from the State? No. None. At all. Private parties generally lack authority to mete out "discipline." No. None. At all. I think so, yes. "{A}llowed to be jerks" seems to presuppose that the State is doing the allowing or disallowing. Are there segments of society, outside of the "trans" community, that is seeking - with some success - to use the coercive and punitive power of the State to compel others to speak certain words (e.g., pronouns, former names, etc.) or be punished for failing/refusing to? I can't think of any offhand, but I am open to any input on this point. The State and its extensions should not regulate speech as to either "preferred pronouns" or "deadnaming." Doing so is inimical to the First Amendment. Thanks, -Smac

Many thanks for that information. Very much appreciated.

I'm not very old but I'm getting there. I attend a physical therapy gym. It's a very cheap membership and they are open to 8pm. So, I've been going at random times when I'm free 3 or 4 times a week for an hour. I use the weight machines because it keeps me engaged but I should do more easy but long duration aerobics and keep taking fish oils. You see, my trygliserids are high by genetics and because most foods have bad oils in them. You can only absorb so much fats, so picking to consume a good easy released oil will compete with other oils to be absorbed in a day, and you can only get rid of them after 30+ minutes of aerobics, ideally 1 hour on a treadmill or bike. My ADHD often rebels against it at 10 minutes, but I'll do all the strength training machines too, so maybe it adds to keeping my heart rate up.

Again: "I think those in the trans community who are sexualizing/grooming children ought not be doing those things." I am not condemning the entire community, just those within a portion of it who "are sexualizing/grooming children." I likewise condemn any bishop - or any other Latter-day Saint - who engages in sexual misconduct against any person. "This...er...performer? In spandex, standing next to men in thongs, shouting 'We have bandanas and lube!' from a float parading in front of young kids." "Christina Aguilera sporting a green strap-on penis at a concert advertised as an 'all-ages' pride event in Los Angeles." "This man in drag exposing his pantyhose-clad crotch at a 'kid-friendly' brunch." "A toddler watches as men in thongs and bondage gear whip one another at a pride parade." "A group of half-naked people - including men and women - gyrate on stage and simulate sex acts at a 'family-friendly' drag and pride event in Austin, Texas." "This drag queen wearing pop-up prosthetic genitalia that actually sprayed liquid on to a crowd that included kids." "Drag queens and men in women's lingerie danced provocatively in front of a crowd that included one very confused little girl." "This bare-breasted person twerking and gyrating near a cop, only feet from children marching in the same parade in Washington, D.C. " Children watching a public event involving "a bunch of men that are butt naked and they’re riding around on bicycles ... exposing their genitalia to children who came to attend the event, which was advertised as a family friendly event." "{S}ome of these cyclists were covered in body paint while the majority were fully exposed, leaving nothing unseen to the eye." "{D}ozens of fully naked men and women playing in the fountain with children." "'{A} man with breasts' marching ahead of young children wearing little more than a bikini bottom walking straight up to a police officer, bending over, and shaking his rear at the cop." "{O}ther men walked by {children}, clad in rainbow-colored speedos with tight bulges on display." "{A} drag queen standing on an eggplant emoji float, proclaiming — with young children present — 'We have genitals and lube.'" "{A}n adult forcing her reluctant child to watch the Pride parade." "Young children can be seen handing money to twerking drag queens. A bright pink neon sign saying 'It’s Not Going to Lick Itself!' added an extra layer of creepiness." "{Yale University associate professor of Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Joseph J. Fischel} attempts to justify his argument that children should be exposed to public displays of kink and gay sexuality by taking the laughable position that such exposure will help combat 'racism and homophobia.'" "{Fischel inquires} 'What is the presumptive harm if a child …. sees an adult’s butt cheeks, or even an adult’s genitals or breasts?'" "Fischel continues, asking if a child would feel violated after witnessing any of these things, or if they’d be 'as likely to respond with curiosity?'" "{Fischel states that 'children might like'} public indecency at Pride." "{Fischel states that} we ought to celebrate kink, butts, and boobs… especially for {children}." "'Kids in general aren't at all fazed by seeing nudity.' ... 'It's such a fun and colorful day, it helps to let the little ones express themselves as well. Go with an open mind and be ready to have fun.'" "{T}wo men pantomiming perverse sexual practices, as their truck rolled slowly down the street before gazing hordes of adults and children." “{W}e’re here, we’re queer, we’re coming for your children.” "{R}eporter Taylor Hansen interviewed multiple nude men on the street who attempted to justify their public nudity in front of children as natural and sometimes even good for them." "{N}aked adults in front of children at the parade, including one man who positioned himself at the front of the crowd as multiple school districts and the Boy Scouts of America marched by in the parade." "A 9-year-old girl Hansen spoke to recounted how she saw a man wearing a Darth Vader helmet and cape 'with nothing else,' which she said made her feel 'grossed out.' "Hansen also posted a thread on X detailing more footage he captured of naked adults in front of children at the parade, including one man who positioned himself at the front of the crowd as multiple school districts and the Boy Scouts of America marched by in the parade." Would you find these behaviors objectionable in that situation? I sure would. In fact, I would separate myself from any group or subgroup or ideology that not only tolerates, but celebrates these behaviors, platforms them, endorses them. As Andrew Sullivan put it: Any bishop who behaves inappropriately is doing so in gross violation of the policies and procedures of the Church, of the trust reposed in him, and likely also in violation of secular law. And there is nobody going around attempting to justify or legitimize any such behavior. In contrast, the foregoing events are happening intentionally and in public, and with the tolerance - or even endorsement - of secular officials and law enforcement. And lots of people are going around attempting to justify or legitimize any such behavior. Thanks, -Smac

I’m a 77 year old male who’s in excellent health and in prime athletic physical condition (for example, my resting heart rate is presently 36 beats per minute). I achieved this present state of good health and high level fitness by means of a rigorous 6 day per week program of weight resistance training and aerobic exercise. Quite honestly, I don’t enjoy my workouts but the benefits derived therefrom far outweigh any of the discomfort, ‘muscle burn’ and heavy breathing. In all honesty, I feel as I did in my mid-30’s As we age, one of the biggest health problems we humans face is the process of muscle atrophy and deterioration called sarcopenia. In order to stave off the debilitating scourge of sarcopenia I need to be sure I’m getting sufficient protein in my diet. That’s why I drink the following protein shake concoction every day: 1 raw organic egg, 1/2 cup of quality whole milk plain Greek Yogurt, 1 container scoop of high quality protein powder, a handful of frozen blueberries, 1 container scoop of Black Forest brand high flavanol cocoa powder, 1 heaping teaspoon of Navitas brand raw cacao powder, 2 teaspoons of freeze dried pomegranate powder and 10 ounces of purified water. Mix in a blender. And don’t hesitate to throw in whatever else suits your fancy. A final note: The only way to truly arrest the onslaught of incapacitating sarcopenia is to do at least a moderate amount of weight resistance training. Walking isn’t enough. Even if you can only manage to regularly do some squats, pushups and sit-ups, these 3 calisthenic movements will do you a world of good. Personally I started out very slowly, and now, in addition to all the other exercises I do, I can easily do 100 pushups, 100 deep knee bend squats and 100 bent leg sit-ups a day in 5 sets of 20 for each movement. Like I say, it’s no fun but it’s so much more than worth it! In fact my doctor recently told me I’ve succeeded in turning back my biological clock 20 years! Good luck and best wishes.

So if a person doesn’t have a legal name, that individual doesn’t have an actual name? If my parents home birthed and didn’t register me with the state would I have an actual name? Just a fabricated one to use your language?

Oh good. Let’s start judging all Mormon bishops by those who have raped women and groomed teenagers to have sex with them you do rather there are far more bishops who have groomed teenagers and rsprd women than transgenders doing drag shows and reading in libraries

I had a longer reply, but I'd like to understand this a little better. What makes a person's name fabricated vs actual? I was speaking in the legal sense. If someone legally changes their name from "John" to "Mary," then that becomes his legal ("actual") name. Otherwise, the name has just been made up by the individual. In a legal sense? Neither. In a sociological sense? Neither, since it is never used in society. In a religious sense? I'm not sure. See here: Thanks, -Smac

My wife admired her. I'm not sure what "live our life on our own terms" means. It sounds . . . untethered. For my part, I have found that my living by my "own terms" only really works insofar as I make those terms congruent with the Lord's will. I think those in the trans community who are sexualizing/grooming children ought not be doing those things. Same goes for anyone else who sexualizes/grooms children. I have provided ample instances of events which I think amount to the sexualization and grooming of children, and of endorsement and justification of those events/behaviors. Children as Sex Objects: Why NYC Gay Pride Parade Is Being Called a 'Celebration of Pedophilia' Dallas Club Investigated After Drag Show for Kids DC Pride parade marked by depravity, grooming of children despite ‘family friendly’ billing Don't Look Away: These Are the 'Family-Friendly' Pride Events the Left Is Pushing On Kids Graphic “Pride” Parades Attacking the Innocence of Children Journalist Witnesses Naked Men Playing with Kids at Pride Prepping Kids for a Pride Parade Pride Month Jumps the Shark Pride Parade Clips Show Shocking and Bizarre Moments — with Children in Attendance San Francisco Pride Parade features public nudity around kids, 'Fetish Zone' with urine SF Cop Says Nudity Around Kids is OK at Pride Parade Why drag queen performances are not appropriate for children Yale Professor Wants Your Kids To See Sex At Pride Parades So They’re Not ‘Homophobes’ Yes, kink belongs at Pride. And I want my kids to see it. Some excerpts from the above links: I think much/most of the foregoing events constitute the sexualization/grooming of children. "Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ." For me, my pursuit of happiness works best when I follow the foregoing counsel. The pursuit of happiness based on untethered, do-whatever-you-want sorts of things does not work for me. In the end, we each must do what we think is right. There was much to admire in her life. I belief God wants us to live our lives on His terms. I feel I am better off having accepted the moral framework of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, rather than having fabricated one for myself. Nonetheless, he has given us agency. Thanks, -Smac

I had a longer reply, but I'd like to understand this a little better. What makes a person's name fabricated vs actual? Is a temple name fabricated or actual?

Not quite. First, your scenario is not about the State punishing speech, not compelling it. Second, that the legalities play out as they do does not mean I endorse "deadnaming." Third, abstaining from "deadnaming" should, I think, be a matter of personal choice, and not a matter for compulsion or punishment by the State. Fourth, the courts have allowed some constraints student student during school hours on school property. That's a fairly narrow circumstance relative to "Speech" overall and in other circumstances. Fifth, I do see some distinctions, both ethically and legally, between preferred pronouns/deadnaming and your scenario. A person can have a legitimate and good faith and non-harassing basis for declining to use preferred pronouns, or for declining to use a person's fabricated name rather than their actual one. Preferred pronouns and using someone's fabricated name (instead of the "dead" name) are, if required, compelled speech, whereas using someone's temple name is not. The Tinker test would, I think, put targeted religious harassment within the category of speech which a school can regulate, but I am less persuaded that the test would put preferred pronouns or "dead names" there. Sixth, your hypothetical scenario is fairly contrived. I doubt it has ever happened in the real world. Seventh, I have strong sentiments about the State compelling the use of "preferred pronouns." It is Orwellian. It is anathema to Free Speech to coerce U.S. citizens into speaking words they do not want to speak, particularly when they disagree with those words. "Deadnaming" is slightly different, as if a person legally changes his name, then I think there is less justification to use his/her former name. But even then, I object to the State compelling use of the new name or punishing use of the old one (subject to narrow exceptions, such as for student speech during school hours on school property). Eighth, if I were to refrain from using preferred pronouns, it would not be to "mock" anyone, but rather to decline to go along with a falsehood or delusion, and to protest against compelled speech. Ninth, if there were some effort by the State to compel you to refer to Joseph Smith as "the Lord's prophet," or if it were to punish you for speaking critically of him, I think you would object to that. Tenth, I think efforts by some in the trans community to use the power of the State to compel and/or punish speech is one of the faster ways for it to lose legitimacy and respect in society. Thanks, -Smac

My husband had the same attitude. Family first over callings. Now that our kids are grown and gone, he is very committed and devoted to his calling in the young men’s. He’s made a huge difference and a lot of their lives. Many of them if not, most of them are autistic and it is a very challenging class, but he has made a tremendous difference in their lives. It’s been good for me to be exposed to something other than what I was raised with, where church took the priority over family in every way.

Same can be said of parents in long term high demand callings in the church. My father was either in a bishopric, a stake presidency or the actual stake president literally from the time I was born till well after I graduated high school. due to the endless meetings and endless Sundays I literally do not know tha man as he was never around. I am very sure I have sat with him in church less than ten times in my entire life. not his fault- just being obedient. I have had my own opportunities long ago for a few high demand callings. I just said no and told them yea I pretty much had an absentee father who regarded every church meeting as more important than his kids. I will not subject my kids to that. I was in the military and deployed all the time. I still spent (no exaggeration) at least 100x more time with my kids than my father spent with us. It wasn’t even close.

How far back in history with much revelation in between you allow yourself to go to require yourself and others to follow the dictates of leadership, which is often taken out of context of cultural realities? Do you stop at 1970? Because there is PLENTY of directives over miriads of topics that has since been overruled by current leadership. where is your faith in present leadership?

Not my judgment, but those in these teachings: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints strongly encourages married couples to have children. It is against birth control ... We seriously regret that there should exist a sentiment or feeling among any members of the Church to curtail the birth of their children". "Where husband and wife enjoy health and vigor and are free from impurities that would be entailed upon their posterity, it is contrary to the teachings of the Church artificially to curtail or prevent the birth of children. We believe that those who practice birth control will reap disappointment by and by" (May 1971 Ensign).

After taking early retirement (late 50's) at the end of last year. This was as a result of health and physical issues. I have trying to remain fit and active since the start of this year. Daily, I walk a 1 to 2 mile walk at pace, also, adapted my eating habits, to a more healthy standard. My next area of improvement, will be what I drink. I am hoping for suggestions, to healthy drinks to have. If anyone of the board has any suggestions with regards to healthy drinks, I will be very welcoming of this

Thank you

Rant all you want… in fact write a huge wall of text here about how racist you think I am. Explain in detail how racist you think it is. We alllll want to hear all about it. maybe next time there are two murders at lds funerals and the perps are of a different nationality then whomever that is will get the attention. Make sure if and when it does happen you call that out as racist as well. Until then, I’m thinking the police focus will be on a few Tongans. If that is racist to you then take it up with the cops. fake outrage

Both of those things are ideally received by the Laying on of Hands rather than just a prayer.

A black person murders another black person: "What is the deal with the blacks?" "What is the deal with the Mexicans?" "What is the deal with the Chinese?" How come no one ever says "What is the deal with the whites?"

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