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7 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

You are not understanding my posts.

Say when he was asked to leave, he said "No." as several here have suggested he should've done. Would the ladies have been happy about his insolence? We know they had no problem hurting fellow humans- so what might've been their next step to get him out of the home?

Yes, he made the smart choice to leave when they demanded. Trying to placate them was the probably the only choice he felt he had to avoid some further escalation.

So he put his own theoretical safety--because even though he was under no actual threat at the time, who knows what Ruby might have done to hurt this grown man if he hadn't complied--above that of his young children, and that was the right decision.  Am I understanding your correctly?

(Have you watched the series? He does explain why he leaves in the series (and how much he regrets it) and it doesn't have anything to do with his fear of Jodi or Ruby)

Edited March 10, 2025 by bluebell

[ZealouslyStriving]

6 minutes ago, bluebell said:

So he put his own theoretical safety--because even though he was under no actual threat at the time, who knows what Ruby might have done to hurt this grown man if he hadn't complied--above that of his young children, and that was the right decision.  Am I understanding your correctly?

(Have you watched the series? He does explain why he leaves in the series (and how much he regrets it) and it doesn't have anything to do with his fear of Jodi or Ruby)

Ugh, nevermind.

[Calm]

22 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Say when he was asked to leave, he said "No." as several here have suggested he should've done.

If you think I am saying he should have stayed, you are wrong. I don’t know enough of the situation and whether his wife was at the point she would have reacted in dangerous ways towards him.  I know little of the story, but my expectation is that I wish it had been a red flag that woke him up and had him realistically observing what was going on and seeing it as at least emotional abuse, if not physical of the kids and likely himself (as least as I understand the timing) and for him to see a lawyer to get advice on how to get custody of the kids without triggering her suspicions until it was safe for him and the kids.

Edited March 11, 2025 by Calm

[ZealouslyStriving]

8 minutes ago, Calm said:

If you think I am saying he should have stayed, you are wrong. I don’t know enough of the situation and whether his wife was at the point she would have reacted in dangerous ways towards him.  I know little of the story, but my expectation is that I wish it had been a red flag that woke him up and had him realistically observing what was going on and seeing it as at least emotional abuse, if not physical of the kids and likely himself (as least as I understand the timing) and for him to see a lawyer to get advice on how to get custody of the kids without triggering her suspicions until it was safe for him and the kids.

Hindsight is 20/20. Often when we are in the midst of something it's hard to see the available options- instinct just kind of takes over.

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3 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Ugh, nevermind.

I'm not trying to pick on you, that's what it seems like you are saying.  That he did the right thing in protecting himself from a theoretical threat, even if it meant leaving his children in an actual threatening situation.

Am i misunderstanding you?  Sincere question.

He's spoken about why he left and I'm wondering if you've read/watched his interviews or if you might be knee-jerk reacting to what you perceive as him being unfairly judged. 

[ZealouslyStriving]

20 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I'm not trying to pick on you, that's what it seems like you are saying.  That he did the right thing in protecting himself from a theoretical threat, even if it meant leaving his children in an actual threatening situation.

Am i misunderstanding you?  Sincere question.

He's spoken about why he left and I'm wondering if you've read/watched his interviews or if you might be knee-jerk reacting to what you perceive as him being unfairly judged. 

All I'm saying is that unfortunately in today's climate when a man is dealing with a domestic situation he has to take into consideration the possibility of having a false SA accusation launched against him. It seems to be an easy way to have a man removed from a situation. It is one of the reasons men are avoiding relationships these days. It's too easy to be labeled a "creep" or "pervert".

Edited March 11, 2025 by ZealouslyStriving

[bluebell]

21 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

All I'm saying is that unfortunately in today's climate when a man is dealing with a domestic situation he has to take into consideration the possibility of having a false SA accusation launched against him. It seems to be an easy way to have a man removed from a situation. It is one of the reasons men are avoiding relationships these days. It's too easy to be labeled a "creep" or "pervert".

Ok,

In terms of this specific situation though, do you believe that what you've said above is relevant to Kevin Franke?  

 

[ZealouslyStriving]

5 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Ok,

In terms of this specific situation though, do you believe that what you've said above is relevant to Kevin Franke?  

 

I have no idea what the ladies were capable about of- I was merely musing on what considerations might cause a man to capitulate to the demands of a hostile wife/girlfriend/baby mama.

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

I have no idea what the ladies were capable about of- I was merely musing on what considerations might cause a man to capitulate to the demands of a hostile wife/girlfriend/baby mama.

Since he’s already explained why he left, doesn’t it make more sense to just take his word for it?

[Dario_M]

I've found this on youtube. This is the moment they where getting arested. Man they lived in such a big fancy house. 🏚

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VSSLABfdrTc&pp=ygUZVGhlIGFyZXMgb2YganVkeSBhbmQgcnVieQ%3D%3D

But anyway they looked like decent people to me at first sight. But unfortunately the reality is differend. 

[Stargazer]

In this video Joshua Miller, a former patient of Jodi Hildebrandt and faithful Latter-day Saint, shares his story of recovery from Jodi's "therapy" through the gospel of Jesus Christ.