Women leaders ordered off the stand

[mfbukowski]

On 11/29/2023 at 1:25 PM, MiserereNobis said:

Science doesn't know this.

The philosophy of science claims it. Who knows where philosophy will be once it moves past post-modernism? You know, in like 100 years.

There is a difference between science and the philosophy of science.

Of course.

Science is 100% human observations, thinking that human observations alone ARE all that reality is.

Why would that be the case?

Philosophy of the mind questions what human observations CANNOT see, and what kind of "reality" CAUSES those alleged "observations".

That gap is the cause of "postmodernism" in questioning what Truth could possibly mean.

It ain't goin nowhere

 

 

[sunstoned]

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Disagree?

 I went to a Catholic high school.  named Saint Augustine.  For short, in sports, we were called The Saints.

 One of our sports Cheers was:

"Beat em bust em! That's our custom!  Go Saints Go"!

Now that's disagreement !

There was a religious HS in my district that was called Holy Ghost HS.  I never went to their football games, but I can imagine they had some creative fight songs. 

We got the spirit, we're hot, we can't be stopped.  

[mfbukowski]

On 11/29/2023 at 8:34 PM, manol said:

Not that I'm up-to-date on interpretations of scriptures, but I grew up being taught that the LDS Church was the "stone cut without hands... that became a great mountain and filled the whole earth", as spoken of by the prophet Daniel (chapter 2, verses 34 and 35).

Is this idea still being taught?

(I have come to believe that the "stone cut without hands... that became a great mountain and filled the whole earth" is about a leaderless worldwide paradigm shift away from thought systems [religions, philosophies, social and political viewpoints] which are based on, and manifestations of, separation.  Obviously this worldwide paradigm shift has not happened yet, but I think many individuals have already started shifting.) 

Separation= dualism between what is "real" - thought to be science vs spirituality which is thought to be unreal.

If science studies human perception and spirituality is human perception then spirituality needs to become scientific.

Empirical theology is the answer 

https://www.religion-online.org/article/empirical-theology-a-revisable-tradition/

Edited December 1, 2023 by mfbukowski

[Tacenda]

Listened to this Mormon Land podcast recently. I highly recommend.

Booting women’s leaders off the stand was ‘hurtful’ and ‘heartbreaking’ | Episode 315

For more than a decade, women’s Relief Society leaders were invited to sit on the stand facing the pews during Sunday services among some Latter-day Saint congregations in the San Francisco Bay Area. It was an uncontroversial tradition until October, when an area president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ordered an end to the practice. The move felt arbitrary to many members and was made without consulting any of the women affected, all of whom were devout believers. After a Salt Lake Tribune story about the edict, many women in the region and across the country are writing letters to church headquarters in Salt Lake City, explaining why the tradition had been good for women in a church governed by men as a sign of inclusion and gender equity. On this week’s show, we discuss this issue with two women who have felt the impact personally: Amy Jensen, who has served as a Young Women leader in Lafayette, Calif., and Laurel McNeil, a current Relief Society president in Sunnyvale, Calif. One solution, they suggest, to bring uniformity to Latter-day Saint services: Invite women’s leaders to sit on the stand in congregations across the globe.

[JustAnAustralian]

Just now, Tacenda said:

I highly recommend.

Are there any particular parts that make that worth a listen that the articles on it haven't covered already?

[Tacenda]

23 minutes ago, JustAnAustralian said:

Are there any particular parts that make that worth a listen that the articles on it haven't covered already?

No, I guess not, I just didn't know this was happening in other stakes/wards/branches besides this SF ward. I like the suggestion of different leaders that represent the auxiliaries. The comment was for women, but maybe include the men's too. Just switch it up. But what do I know. The comment that stood out was one of the women saying how it helped their daughter, wait maybe it was a father as well, that wanted his daughter to see the women's leaders on the stand. And one of the women said, maybe they need to just strike, my word, and not show up to do all that the women do in order for the church to run smoothly. IOW, women are getting the shaft.