Existence was imagined and it was imagined infinite

[Bassil]

21 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

Bassil thank you for your heart again. 💙

🙏

[pogi]

2 hours ago, Bassil said:

Can you either comprehend or imagine a mountain in its full size in a keyhole? No. Every time you try to imagine it you imagine the mountain so small, not in its full size, to fit into the keyhole. You understand the idea. You understand what I mean by trying to comprehend or imagine a mountain in its full size in a keyhole. Your capability to understand the idea doesn't mean you can imagine it.

"There is no place I know that compares with pure imagination."  - Willy Wonka.   

I can imagine way more bizarre stuff than that.  

 

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, Bassil said:

Let's say the mountain is one kilometer high. The keyhole is half a centimeter in diameter.

That's the problem. You do not define your context. Suppose the keyhole, as a passage to the 11th dimension was 1k high, and the mountain, for a "small" (to us) insect, is half a centimeter.

Language is relative and depends on context and you tend to speak in absolutes using highly ambiguous words in unusual ways, using "is" to equate contexts that cannot be equated.

"God = thought"

I have no clue what that means.

It SEEMS to be more poetry or riddles, and leaves it open for the reader to scramble for meaning.

I am trying to be constructive, but I keep trying to create some analogy to make sense of it FOR ME, but so far it is not really coming together.

Edited August 23, 2023 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

2 hours ago, Bassil said:

Can you either comprehend or imagine a mountain in its full size in a keyhole? No. Every time you try to imagine it you imagine the mountain so small, not in its full size, to fit into the keyhole. You understand the idea. You understand what I mean by trying to comprehend or imagine a mountain in its full size in a keyhole.

THAT is precisely the problem.

It just doesn't make sense, and says nothing 

It is like a riddle based on using words in unusual ways, out of context without any context provided.

"I gave my love a cherry without a stone. How can you do that? The cherry was in bloom".

The resolution is to provide CONTEXT, as the last line of the riddle does.

[mfbukowski]

2 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Thank you mfbukowski, nice to know. 😉 beautiful word btw: Analytic Philosopher. Oh my oh my...the English language is so beautiful. Most beautiful language of the whole world in my opinion.

It's just a school of philosophy to which I am drawn as a 50 year student. 😁

[Nofear]

I'll give Bassil credit for trying. His passion is probably good (to the extent he doesn't use it to justify immoral acts). Personally I find his metaphysics rather craptastic, but so are some of my ideas. It's not worth my or his time trying to persuade else.

[Bassil]

28 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

"God = thought"

I have no clue what that means.

Theta is where thoughts are created. Our thoughts are so limited to those of God. We can run stories constructed by our thoughts. God can run the story of the whole universe using his thoughts. God can be a thought created by something highly supreme. Depending on the ability of the thinker, Theta can allow wonders.

[pogi]

20 minutes ago, Bassil said:

Depending on the ability of the thinker, Theta can allow wonders.

Now that sounds like Willy Wonka!   Take that as a compliment. 

What do you perceive as the pragmatic benefits of this belief?  What are the fruits?  Can you actually taste the Everlasting Gobstopper?  Or is it just more of a pleasant daydream?

I apologize for the American pop-culture reference from the 70's if you are not familiar with it. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by pogi

[Bassil]

3 minutes ago, pogi said:

What do you perceive as the pragmatic benefits of this belief?  What are the fruits?

When I reached these results a year ago, I went into a state of depression for about six months. Things became better when I believed in Jesus.

I wrote about this subject because I promised someone to write about it when I get the opportunity.

[pogi]

18 minutes ago, Bassil said:

When I reached these results a year ago, I went into a state of depression for about six months. Things became better when I believed in Jesus.

I wrote about this subject because I promised someone to write about it when I get the opportunity.

I am happy about the fruits of your conversion to Jesus.

I am asking specifically about the pragmatic benefits of your ideas regarding "Theta" and that "God is a thought", etc. and all of these beliefs that have no history or foundation in Christianity.   What are the "wonders" of these beliefs that you hint at? 

[mfbukowski]

57 minutes ago, Bassil said:

Theta is where thoughts are created.

"Where" implies a place.

The Thought Factory down by the river? 

Where is it, if it is a " where", it must be a place?!

I am just trying to show you how others might see this and not understand.

"This unknowable = That unknowable "

Defton = zambo.

I won't bother you anymore, I hope this was helpful, that was my intention.

[Tacenda]

39 minutes ago, Bassil said:

When I reached these results a year ago, I went into a state of depression for about six months. Things became better when I believed in Jesus.

I wrote about this subject because I promised someone to write about it when I get the opportunity.

I am no scriptorian, wondering if the Bible has very weak evidence of Jesus's existence. If so, is there another way to prove of His existence? My evidence comes second hand (working on my own personal witness) by way of others' near death experiences. My friend had one and she had what she thought was a visit with Him. Also, my niece is a Medium and believes in there being something attune to Him. 

 

[Bassil]

51 minutes ago, pogi said:

I am asking specifically about the pragmatic benefits of your ideas regarding "Theta" and that "God is a thought", etc.

I just told you, 'Depression.'

[Bassil]

53 minutes ago, pogi said:

What are the "wonders" of these beliefs that you hint at?

I've never hinted that my belief has wonders.

[Bassil]

41 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

"Where" implies a place.

And!

[Bassil]

35 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

My evidence comes second hand (working on my own personal witness) by way of others' near death experiences.

Me too, through experience. Not NDE. I just know.

[pogi]

6 minutes ago, Bassil said:

I just told you, 'Depression.'

Here is what you said:

1 hour ago, Bassil said:

When I reached these results a year ago, I went into a state of depression for about six months. Things became better when I believed in Jesus.

It sounds to me like your "results" (I am assuming you mean your conclusions about your beliefs about God being a thought and Theta, etc.) are what sent you into a depression, then Jesus (not your other beliefs) saved you:

8 minutes ago, Bassil said:

I've never hinted that my belief has wonders.

You said this here:

1 hour ago, Bassil said:

Depending on the ability of the thinker, Theta can allow wonders.

The concept of Theta is your belief.  You even said that you coined the term after the Greek letter.  What pragmatic "wonders" does this belief in Theta allow? 

 

[mfbukowski]

10 minutes ago, Bassil said:

Me too, through experience. Not NDE. I just know.

Good for you, THAT is the truth God gives you!  Others may not have received that message.

But communication is something else unless one receives the "same" message.

16 million have received the message that LDS is where God wants them to be.

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by mfbukowski

[Bassil]

1 hour ago, pogi said:

It sounds to me like your "results" (I am assuming you mean your conclusions about your beliefs about God being a thought and Theta, etc.) are what sent you into a depression, then Jesus (not your other beliefs) saved you:

Correct.

[Bassil]

1 hour ago, pogi said:

Depending on the ability of the thinker, Theta can allow wonders.

Yes. It depends on the ability of the thinker: human, God, something higher.

[Bassil]

1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

16 million have received the message that LDS is where God wants them to be.

OK. And I'm where God want me to be.

[pogi]

49 minutes ago, Bassil said:

Correct.

I guess I am confused, are you saying that "depression" is the pragmatic benefit, or fruits, of your beliefs? 

48 minutes ago, Bassil said:

Yes. It depends on the ability of the thinker: human, God, something higher.

Do you have any examples of what wonders a human might experience from believing in Theta? 

[Bassil]

32 minutes ago, pogi said:

I guess I am confused, are you saying that "depression" is the pragmatic benefit, or fruits, of your beliefs?

The results I got got me into depression. I was barely a spiritual person then. Those results got me to believe in God, but a distant God. That is what made me depressed. Jesus proved to me that God is very close to us. Then things got better.

[pogi]

4 minutes ago, Bassil said:

The results I got got me into depression. I was barely a spiritual person then. Those results got me to believe in God, but a distant God. That is what made me depressed. Jesus proved to me that God is very close to us. Then things got better.

For someone who already believes in God and/or Jesus without believing in Theta, do you see any pragmatic benefits of adding Theta to their belief system?

[Bassil]

53 minutes ago, pogi said:

Do you have any examples of what wonders a human might experience from believing in Theta?

I don't have.

But there's a question that keeps looming. Since our thoughts and God's created into Theta, could we tap into God's thoughts? 😮