Chum Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 23 minutes ago, Fether said: So do you accept that a concealed carry is a practical and excellent solution to your concern of students seeing guns? Until the first 1st grader thinks it's funny to pull the teacher's shirt up and six others spend the rest of the year cooking up how to do that. Meanwhile, the other kids get regular reminders they're going to die violently where they sit.
Fether Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chum said: Until the first 1st grader thinks it's funny to pull the teacher's shirt up and six others spend the rest of the year cooking up how to do that. Meanwhile, the other kids get regular reminders they're going to die violently where they sit. So you believe seeing a gun is dangerous to a kids mental state?
Chum Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 25 minutes ago, Fether said: So do you accept that a concealed carry is a practical and excellent solution to your concern of students seeing guns? Oh also, in that pic, is that body wrap rubbing up against his skin all day? That'll be a fun time for skin sensitivities or after discovering dodgy manufacturing process or after hours outside in 100 degree heat or ... To keep guns invisible, is the plan will be to mandate which wraps teachers have to wear? Who supplies them? Because - again - teachers are choosing to not carry guns and don't seem keen in taking on a not-inconsequential gun hobby. 1
Chum Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, Fether said: So you believe seeing a gun is dangerous to a kids mental state? I believe what I said I believe.
Chum Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) There's also this. On 5/26/2022 at 11:42 PM, Robert F. Smith said: Yes, a mass shooting at school is quite rare, like winning the lottery. Edited May 29, 2022 by Chum Tell your children you remember the day when Robert F. Smith and I agreed on something.
Fether Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Chum said: Oh also, in that pic, is that body wrap rubbing up against his skin all day? That'll be a fun time for skin sensitivities or after discovering dodgy manufacturing process or after hours outside in 100 degree heat or ... I see little reason in continuing this part of the conversation since you are opposed to watching those links I sent 18 minutes ago, Chum said: To keep guns invisible, is the plan will be to mandate which wraps teachers have to wear? Who supplies them? Because - again - teachers are choosing to not carry guns and don't seem keen in taking on a not-inconsequential gun hobby. Again, no one would force teachers for this. But if we started encouraging, I suspect there would be some standards implements. I’m fact, I would imagine there are school districts out there that have implemented standards for concealed carry. Admittedly, having teachers as the primary line of defense for school shooters is not ideal. But when our government spends more money defending foreign countries than defending our own schools, having armed teachers is the next best thing. Edited May 29, 2022 by Fether
Chum Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Fether said: But when our government spends more money defending foreign countries than defending our own schools, having armed teachers is the next best thing. These two things have as much to do with each other as any two items out of the 5,900,562,299,601 items in the discretionary budget. But okay.
Chum Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Fether said: I see little reason in continuing this part of the conversation Alright. 9 minutes ago, Fether said: you are Adam Crap. You know. If only I was better at concealing .. something. 9 minutes ago, Fether said: not doing basic research ... Speaking of.. 9 minutes ago, Fether said: I suspect there would be ... I’m fact, I would imagine there are Edited May 29, 2022 by Chum
Fether Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Chum said: Alright. Crap. You know. If only I was better at concealing .. something. Speaking of.. I fixed the typo prior to your post. If we want to change the topic to what the standards are for current districts that allow concealed carry, we can and I would love to do research. Edited May 29, 2022 by Fether
Chum Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, Fether said: If we want to change the topic to what the standards are for current districts that allow concealed carry, we can and I would love to do research. For those teachers who are choosing to not perform the role of soldier, what persuasion do you see that wouldn't result in teachers quitting? If teachers have been persuaded to carry, what will that on-boarding process look like?
Chum Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 On 5/26/2022 at 7:37 PM, bluebell said: But I don't think that arming teachers is the answer. As the meme says, if we don't even trust our teachers right now to pick library books, why would we trust them with a gun? She isn't wrong. On 5/26/2022 at 8:03 PM, strappinglad said: Do not , I repeat , DO NOT , start giving guns to the untrained. How many times have there been police involved shootings( and police are trained regularly) where dozens of shots were fired at the perp and most missed. Adrenalin takes over in high stress situations. He isn't wrong. On 5/26/2022 at 9:03 PM, Calm said: School is thought, I am guessing, to be seen as a safer place if children don’t see and therefore won’t think about guns while in school. She isn't wrong. On 5/27/2022 at 12:53 AM, The Nehor said: Everyone talks about how a school is a soft target so we need to harden it. The thing is we aren’t in a war zone. Why are we okay with a bunker mentality? He isn't wrong. On 5/27/2022 at 1:14 AM, The Nehor said: The other thing is WE HAVE been tightening security at schools for years. They have drills. They run scenarios. It is not helping. This school did have tightened security. Guess we have to tighten it more? HE. ISN'T WRONG 2
Fether Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, Chum said: For those teachers who are choosing to not perform the role of soldier, what persuasion do you see that wouldn't result in teachers quitting? If teachers have been persuaded to carry, what will that on-boarding process look like? Do you believe everyone who carries a gun is a soldier?
The Nehor Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 Concealed carry by a certain percentage of teachers WILL eventually lead to students and/or teachers dying. Teacher losing it. Angry student making a grab for it. Teacher takes it off and stores in desk and student notices, etc. I admit to morbid amusement that the same pundits pushing the idea that “teachers are teaching CRT and sex to our kids and are grooming them too” also loudly argue that we should arm the supposed groomers. Then there is the idea that it is supposed to stop an attacker. Teachers don’t have combat training. The attacker will almost certainly have surprise on their side. The recent shooting had an armed person in charge of security. There were over a dozen armed police on scene very quickly and they didn’t do anything. Now we are going to hope the shooter hits the classroom with a teacher who is carrying? Or are the teachers supposed to operate as a tactical team and storm the area and intervene? Suppose that the police actually do their job too and show up inside while the teachers are moving in. How many teachers are going to end up shot by cops with itchy trigger fingers? Then there are the big brained geniuses arguing that we should restrict schools to one entrance and exit. So any attempt to move people out becomes a shooting gallery and in the event of a fire……yeah, the simplistic ‘obvious’ solutions aren’t working. This is not the first school shooting that had an armed “resource officer” or whatever they are called on scene. Their presence does not seem to deter shooters. Armed teachers probably won’t either. These shooters aren’t worried about surviving the encounter when they start. They might change their mind and surrender later but in the planning stage they expect to die. So it doesn’t have deterrent value. We don’t have a huge reserve of combat-trained marksmen we can hire to defend schools even if the money were available. Most stories about armed officers in schools are negative from both teachers and students. Seems like it is like a vice-principal with extra police powers that can ruin your life a lot more than schools are generally allowed to go with. Programs to arm teachers have been around in some states for years and so far the data shows it doesn’t decrease gun violence. Over 90% of teachers are opposed to such measures. Are the most conscientious teachers going to the be the ones who agree to be armed? Why is the solution always MORE GUNS!?!?!?!?!?!!? 3
Chum Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Fether said: Do you believe everyone who carries a gun is a soldier? Where do you get that question? It certainly isn't supported by what you're quoting.
Chum Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 One question I've never heard answered. When that government threat arrives - the one that guns are needed to thwart - who is it (precisely) that gun owners will be killing?
Fether Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 16 minutes ago, Chum said: Where do you get that question? It certainly isn't supported by what you're quoting. You are saying it. You seem to be painting this whole thing about having teachers have guns as being some draft or conscription into the military. 9 minutes ago, Chum said: One question I've never heard answered. When that government threat arrives - the one that guns are needed to thwart - who is it (precisely) that gun owners will be killing? Depends on who is threatening us
Chum Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Fether said: Depends on who is threatening us I asked you first. When you consider a government threats that needs to be met with guns, who are you envisioning? Tell me whatever you can about them.
Chum Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Fether said: You are saying it. You seem to be painting this whole thing about having teachers have guns as being some draft or conscription into the military. I said what I said. If you want to know if I meant something different than what I said, say that. If you want clarity of what I said, don't pose a question outside of the scope of my comment. Because that isn't how you get clarity. edit: Ugh. Comm 101 has to be agonizing to follow. My apologies to the other board members. Edited May 30, 2022 by Chum
Fether Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, Chum said: I asked you first. When you consider a government threats that needs to be met with guns, who are you envisioning? Tell me whatever you can about them. Someone pointing a gun at me or my family. I will shoot those people.
Chum Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Fether said: Someone pointing a gun at me or my family. I will shoot those people. Ok. The government people are carrying guns. That helps. They would seem to make them law enforcement. Edited May 30, 2022 by Chum
Fether Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chum said: What sort of government people carry guns? Soldiers, police, body guards.
Chum Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Fether said: Soldiers, police, body guards. Thank you for that. From what you've provided, gun owners need guns to protect themselves from the government's soldiers, police ... and body guards? Aren't government body guards soldiers and police? That last aside, the synopsis here seems to be this: Because of the real risk that police/soldiers will show up and point guns at families, an important reason Americans need guns is to shoot police and/or soldiers. And just to be clear, shoot is the correct word because if you do not surrender they will take you by force. If you are going to surrender, why would you need guns? Edited May 30, 2022 by Chum Repeatedly edited to minimize the inflammitory content. Hopefully it's better.
Fether Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chum said: Thank you for that. From what you've provided, gun owners need guns to protect from the government, in the form of soldiers, police ... and body guards? Aren't government body guards soldiers and police? That last aside, the synopsis here seems to be that because of the risk that police and or soldiers will show up and point guns at their family, an important reason Americans need guns is to shoot police and/or soldiers. And just to be clear, shoot is the correct word because if LEO/solders have their guns out, you are either surrendering to them or they are shooting you because that is generally what follows LEO having their guns out. Yep! What’s that thing… the… the… oh! The constitution. Yes. The constitution says this. The right to bear arms is here to protect us from a tyrannical government. Here are some references, but I know you don’t like reading evidences that go contrary to your opinions. https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/united-states-constitution/2nd-amendment#right-to-bear-arms https://www.britannica.com/topic/Second-Amendment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-CONAN-1992/pdf/GPO-CONAN-1992-10-3.pdf 1
Chum Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Chum said: Thank you for that. From what you've provided, gun owners need guns to protect themselves from the government's soldiers, police ... and body guards? Aren't government body guards soldiers and police? That last aside, the synopsis here seems to be this: Because of the real risk that police/soldiers will show up and point guns at families, an important reason Americans need guns is to shoot police and/or soldiers. And just to be clear, shoot is the correct word because if you do not surrender they will take you by force. If you are going to surrender, why would you need guns? This is what I get for watching the Banner Of Heaven while hopped up on cold meds. Somebody pray for me.
Chum Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Fether said: Yep! What’s that thing… the… the… oh! The constitution. Yes. The constitution says this. The right to bear arms is here to protect us from a tyrannical government. I never realized cop love was such a fickle thing. It's like real romance.
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