Joseph Smith's Greatest Sermon: The King Follett Discourse

[JAHS]

38 minutes ago, Fether said:

2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Yes Brigham repeatedly taught that God was once a mortal man and that mortal men can become Gods.

References?

Brigham Young:
"The great architect, manager and superintendent, controller and dictator [absolute ruler] who guides this work is out of sight to our natural eyes. He lives on another world; he is in another state of existence; he has passed the ordeals we are now passing through; he has received an experience, has suffered and enjoyed, and knows all that we know regarding the toils, sufferings, life and death of this mortality, for he has passed through the whole of it, and has received his crown and exaltation and holds the keys and the power of this Kingdom;" (JOD)

[Bernard Gui]

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[JLHPROF]

2 hours ago, Fether said:

References?

 "Now to the facts in the case; all the difference between Jesus Christ and any other man that ever lived on the earth, from the days of Adam until now, is simply this, the Father, after He had once been in the flesh, and lived as we live, obtained His exaltation, attained to thrones, gained the ascendancy over principalities and powers, and had the knowledge and power to create---to bring forth and organize the elements upon natural principles. This He did after His ascension, or His glory, or His eternity, and was actually classed with the Gods, with the beings who create, with those who have kept the celestial law while in the flesh, and again obtained their bodies." Feb 8, 1857 Tabernacle

 

[telnetd]

On 4/10/2022 at 5:23 PM, InCognitus said:

Based on Abraham chapter 3 (and elsewhere), spirits (or intelligences) "have no beginning; they existed before,

Based on that, how is Jesus the first spirit child of heavenly parents?

[telnetd]

On 4/10/2022 at 12:57 PM, Calm said:

Do you have a question or point or is this just an FYI?

Just an fyi.

[rongo]

16 minutes ago, telnetd said:

Based on that, how is Jesus the first spirit child of heavenly parents?

First formed (by combining spirit matter with uncreated and eternal intelligence). In one sense, we are all eternal (no beginning and no end, because of intelligence). In another sense, we really have a beginning when we are created (organized). 

With the veil of forgetfulness, birth on earth into mortality can also be seen as a beginning, even though from a wider perspective we existed before.