nuclearfuels Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the aname of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied. * The Savior often said: I say unto thee, be thou healed * Moses said: Thus saith the LORD: Let my people go. * David said: I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts * We specify by whose name the Sacrament is blessed, blessings and ordinations are given, etc. Seems to me that in all these instances, the Savior, Moses, and David were specifying that the authority by which their message came was God and specificaly His priesthood. That way Pharaoh, Goliath, those not of the faith would feel the Spirit confimring the truth of the message, no?
Metis_LDS Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: That way Pharaoh, Goliath, those not of the faith would feel the Spirit confimring the truth of the message, no? Interesting question. I have never heard this concept before. Based on the reaction of the Pharaoh and Goliath it is difficult to tell if the Spirit confirmed the truth of the message to them. Edited March 23, 2022 by Metis_LDS grammar 1
Robert F. Smith Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 3 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: 45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the aname of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied. * The Savior often said: I say unto thee, be thou healed * Moses said: Thus saith the LORD: Let my people go. * David said: I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts * We specify by whose name the Sacrament is blessed, blessings and ordinations are given, etc. Seems to me that in all these instances, the Savior, Moses, and David were specifying that the authority by which their message came was God and specificaly His priesthood. That way Pharaoh, Goliath, those not of the faith would feel the Spirit confimring the truth of the message, no? David was simply trying to intimidate the Philistines, whom he used to work for -- if you recall. Priesthood is not involved. 2
longview Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 David was strongly moved with righteous indignation. He was zealous for the NAME of God. He went to King Saul to get permission to go up to Goliath. The king must have felt a surge of the spirit from God to acquiesce to the boldness of David. Otherwise why would the king risk losing the kingdom by "foolishly" sending David as a "champion" in a one-on-one contest? Especially since David was NOT old enough (or even big enough) to be in the army? Certainly still a boy, not mature enough. In the previous chapter (1 Samuel 16), we read: 12. And he (Jesse) sent, and brought him (David) in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the Lord said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he. 13. Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah. 14. (JST) But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit which was not of the Lord troubled him. I believe Israelite kings were clothed upon with the Priesthood (as long as they were faithful). Righteous kings represent the Lord in leading the House of Israel (the name which means: Let God Prevail). Same was true for the righteous kings among the Nephite people. When David was anointed, Saul lost his status and no longer had the priesthood. The presiding authority had been conferred on David. 1
The Nehor Posted March 27, 2022 Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 12:24 PM, Robert F. Smith said: David was simply trying to intimidate the Philistines, whom he used to work for -- if you recall. Priesthood is not involved. David and Goliath came way before David’s really weird sojourn with the Philistines. The historical cynic in me reads that as David being a rebel against Saul and later redactors bending over backwards to try to justify how David really was a good guy the whole time. Really guys, I promise, he only defected to the enemy army because he had to. 1
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