mfbukowski Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Navidad said: Thirty or so years ago the first book I ever read about LDS doctrine was McConkie's Mormon Doctrine book. The second book I read was Apostle/President Kimball's book "The Miracle of Forgiveness." I think both books are a bit out of favor now. I almost quit reading about LDS beliefs after reading "The Miracle of Forgiveness." Very strident language. Agreed, that's why I personally look to the scriptures and seek the Spirit for my own interpretations. That's how I found the church in the first place, read philosophy, got clobbered by Moroni 10:4-5, and used that spirit to construct my own beliefs. Thank goodness I escaped the fundamentalism of Primary class, taught by adults who were raised in it. I'd be in the other side myself by now. When I was first a Bishop, I counseled youth to read "Miracle..." until I actually read it myself. Big error I still regret. Never blindly recommended anything since. That's why you need to read our scriptures. But I traced down those who I needed to, and was able to use it as a lesson in following the spirit for themselves, and the fallibility of leaders, so the Spirit was able to use the error to His advantage. Edited July 31, 2021 by mfbukowski 1
JLHPROF Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Navidad said: This is off topic, but I just noticed you are from Happy Valley. I am wondering if you ever travel on Penns Valley Rd just east of Aaronsburg? Happy Valley is a nickname for the extremely high percentage LDS Utah Valley - Lehi down through Provo, Orem, Spanish Fork Utah.
JLHPROF Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 3 hours ago, mfbukowski said: McConkie' views are controversial today. Some were controversial then. 1
mfbukowski Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Navidad said: Thanks my friend. That helps. We used to have a couple of men come to visit us as visiting teachers. One has cancer now and the other is often out at his ranch and hour and a half from here. It is sad they can no longer come. Quite often I would read something to them that I had just read by an LDS interpreter/scholar. One of them often said to me "Don't read that stuff! I don't believe that!" then he would laugh. Your comments help me understand the diversity of thought about specific points of doctrine, even within our little ward. Last night we had visitors stop by to sit by the river for a while. They are from the more "liberal," "modern," and "rich" (not my words) ward in another of the old colonies about 40 minutes away from here. Lots of semi-good natured kidding between the wards. The gentleman sits on their stake presidency there and assured me that many in his ward don't see things as do the folks in our ward. He was laughing as he said it, but I thought it was a pretty interesting observation! Methinks the differences are more cultural than doctrinal. We have had a few discussions here years ago discussing whether or not we ever HAD, doctrine and how to define it. The official answer was "what is published and preached consistently in church publications and and conference"- it was published in Newsroom, itself a fairly weak source "doctrinally" I think that article has been pulled, can't seem to find it. Edit: Found it! Approaching Mormon Doctrine" https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/approaching-mormon-doctrine Edited July 31, 2021 by mfbukowski 2
The Nehor Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 3 hours ago, mfbukowski said: McConkie' views are controversial today. You can have my playing cards when you pry them from my weak, feeble hands.
mfbukowski Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 19 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Some were controversial then. That's good.
mfbukowski Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, The Nehor said: You can have my playing cards when you pry them from my weak, feeble hands. Yeah! I want to see a scriptural quote for that one!
The Nehor Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 Also how am I supposed to provide for my family without playing cards? My best skill is being able to count to 21 so Blackjack is all I got. Do you want my family to starve? My potential imaginary family? You monsters!
Navidad Posted August 1, 2021 Author Posted August 1, 2021 4 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Happy Valley is a nickname for the extremely high percentage LDS Utah Valley - Lehi down through Provo, Orem, Spanish Fork Utah. I'm sorry. I thought you were in Happy Valley, PA where Penn State is. My bad! Sorry to bother you with my family history.
bOObOO Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 On 7/31/2021 at 12:38 PM, mfbukowski said: McConkie' views are controversial today. As are everyone's, depending on who is asked for their opinion.
bOObOO Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 On 7/31/2021 at 12:02 PM, Navidad said: Thanks. I have this volume and have read it several times. Both Joseph F Smith and Joseph Fielding Smith were interesting presidents! Joseph F. Smith enjoyed coming to the colonies. I once gave a talk on the Apostles and the Colonies at a MHA meeting. I had a good time with the folks! Then I think you've probably already seen all of the questions that have been asked or could be asked about judgment, and his answers to all of those questions. So what are you looking for now? Just other answers from other people? Do you have any other questions in mind, specifically?
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