Tacenda Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 The photo in the article...it seems the church still can't bring themselves to show the face in the hat. https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/1/29/22248819/film-recounts-story-of-three-witnesses-book-of-mormon-lds-joseph-smith-martin-harris-movie?fbclid=IwAR2WF9BV13LdVJyHFdE03rIVB5uZQmxOeEuaZcY7NIA8o_mEC83uOMpJnEE
smac97 Posted January 31, 2021 Author Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: The photo in the article...it seems the church still can't bring themselves to show the face in the hat. https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/1/29/22248819/film-recounts-story-of-three-witnesses-book-of-mormon-lds-joseph-smith-martin-harris-movie?fbclid=IwAR2WF9BV13LdVJyHFdE03rIVB5uZQmxOeEuaZcY7NIA8o_mEC83uOMpJnEE I think we'll get there. See, e.g., here: Quote The Church History Department of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has released a new video exploring Joseph Smith’s use of seer stones in the translation process of the Book of Mormon. In the video (“Seer Stones and the Translation of the Book of Mormon”), Mason Allred interviews Dr. Mark Ashurst-McGee of the Joseph Smith Papers Project concerning “the various historical accounts of the Book of Mormon translation process.” Although we do not fully understand precisely how the Book of Mormon was translated, the surviving historical sources discussed by Allred and Ashurst-McGee do give us enough details to reconstruct a fairly reliable account of the miraculous process. For starters, Dr. Ashurst-McGee explains that statements and recollections made by the Prophet Joseph Smith and his close associates–––including his wife Emma Smith, his friends Martin Harris and David Whitmer, and others–––make it clear that the instruments utilized in the translation of the Book of Mormon included the Nephite “interpreters” (Mosiah 8:13,19; 28:20; Alma 37:21,24)–––later designated the “Urim and Thummum” (Joseph Smith—History 1:35,42,52,59,62)–––and another seer stone which Joseph began using at some point during the translation “for convenience.” This seer stone (and sometimes the Nephite interpreters as well) he would place into the bottom of a hat which he then peered into to block out extraneous light, since apparently the stones glowed or shined while Joseph utilized them in translating. Speaking of the historical descriptions of the Prophet burying his face in the hat to view the shining translation instrument(s), Dr. Ashurst-McGee acknowledges that “it’s an image we’re unfamiliar with.” Nevertheless, he explains that “it’s actually not that strange. {Joseph is} trying to block out light. That’s the point.” To help us make sense of this seemingly perplexing method, Dr. Ashurst-McGee offers a modern comparison. “It’s like on a really sunny day when you get a text and you pull out your cellphone [but] you can’t see it because of the sun, [so] you make shade [and] you block out the light so you can see what it says. It’s the same kind of idea.” (Emphasis added.) Prayer circles have also previously been sorts of "off limits," but are becoming more frequently acknowledged. See, e.g., here: Saints Unscripted is really doing well. Thanks, -Smac
Nevo Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Tacenda said: The photo in the article...it seems the church still can't bring themselves to show the face in the hat. https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/1/29/22248819/film-recounts-story-of-three-witnesses-book-of-mormon-lds-joseph-smith-martin-harris-movie?fbclid=IwAR2WF9BV13LdVJyHFdE03rIVB5uZQmxOeEuaZcY7NIA8o_mEC83uOMpJnEE At least there are a few "hat-adjacent" depictions out there now. Maybe after the older generation dies off we'll eventually see Joseph put his face in the hat. Meanwhile, here is the January 2021 Liahona showing Joseph reading off of the plates unaided, with Oliver scribing on the other side of a curtain. 😢
CV75 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, Nevo said: At least there are a few "hat-adjacent" depictions out there now. Maybe after the older generation dies off we'll eventually see Joseph put his face in the hat. Meanwhile, here is the January 2021 Liahona showing Joseph reading off of the plates unaided, with Oliver scribing on the other side of a curtain. 😢 Be careful of what you wish for! 1
Stargazer Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 5:07 PM, Bernard Gui said: The gospel implications are beautiful. Pairing this with Samuel Barber’ Adagio for Strings was genius. My wife has told me that she wants Adagio for Strings to be played for her funeral -- assuming she beats me to the finish line, and assuming that we don't survive into the Millennium. 1
Bernard Gui Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) On 1/31/2021 at 2:21 PM, Stargazer said: My wife has told me that she wants Adagio for Strings to be played for her funeral -- assuming she beats me to the finish line, and assuming that we don't survive into the Millennium. That’s cool! One of the greatest pieces ever written for strings. The first time it heard it was on a live TV memorial concert by the Boston Symphony on the night John Kennedy died. It captured the feelings I had of that event perfectly. I want the Adagietto from Mahler Symphony #5.....live orchestra, of course! 🥸 Edited February 2, 2021 by Bernard Gui
Bernard Gui Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: Edited February 2, 2021 by Bernard Gui 1
Stargazer Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) On 1/31/2021 at 8:04 PM, Nevo said: At least there are a few "hat-adjacent" depictions out there now. Maybe after the older generation dies off we'll eventually see Joseph put his face in the hat. Meanwhile, here is the January 2021 Liahona showing Joseph reading off of the plates unaided, with Oliver scribing on the other side of a curtain. 😢 That's funny! I was living in the UK in 1971 when they went from their old traditional monetary system of pounds, shillings and pence to a decimal system of pounds and pence. You know, like they used to go to buy groceries and be given a total like £12-3s-11d: Twelve pounds, 3 shillings and 11 pence ("d" instead of "p" because it stood for the Roman "denarius"). The old system was 12 pennies to the shilling, and 20 shillings to the pound. Extremely convenient to make change, that was (Not)! Anyway, £12-3s-11d is £12.20 nowadays. Approximately: in this case it's 12.19583333... gotta round up, because they also "disappeared" the half-penny coin around that time. Well, anyway, there was an old lady interviewed for the BBC and she literally said what you said here: it's too difficult for the old folks, so they should wait to go decimal until the old people die off. Edited February 7, 2021 by Stargazer
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