TheTanakas Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 I had a question on this section of the manual. 420 - One prophet saw Him as a premortal spirit, and another saw His birth and ministry in a vision. One stood on a wall to proclaim the signs of His birth and His death, and another knelt before His resurrected body, touching the wounds in His hands, feet, and side. Which specific prophet knelt before Christ's resurrected body and touched his wounds? From what I read in 3 Nephi 11, all the people did but there is no mention of the first. Pete
CV75 Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 52 minutes ago, TheTanakas said: I had a question on this section of the manual. 420 - One prophet saw Him as a premortal spirit, and another saw His birth and ministry in a vision. One stood on a wall to proclaim the signs of His birth and His death, and another knelt before His resurrected body, touching the wounds in His hands, feet, and side. Which specific prophet knelt before Christ's resurrected body and touched his wounds? From what I read in 3 Nephi 11, all the people did but there is no mention of the first. Pete See verse 19. 1
TheTanakas Posted December 31, 2020 Author Posted December 31, 2020 On 12/29/2020 at 2:41 PM, CV75 said: See verse 19. Wrong verse. And Nephi arose and went forth, and bowed himself before the Lord and did kiss his feet.
teddyaware Posted December 31, 2020 Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheTanakas said: Wrong verse. And Nephi arose and went forth, and bowed himself before the Lord and did kiss his feet. You’ve got me wondering exactly what it is that’s got you perplexed? Is it not true that the 12 Nephite disciples of Christ, each of whom were prophets of God in their own right, were present when the resurrected Savior appeared to the multitude who were gathered at the temple in the land Bountiful when he commanded all present to come forth and feel the wounds of his atoning sacrifice in his hands, feet and side? This means the portion of the Church manual you’re questioning could be speaking of any of the twelve Nephite disciples of Christ who were there on that sacred occasion, but I believe the writer was most likely thinking of the prophet Nephi who was foremost among the 12 Nephite disciples of Christ. Edited December 31, 2020 by teddyaware
InCognitus Posted December 31, 2020 Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheTanakas said: Wrong verse. And Nephi arose and went forth, and bowed himself before the Lord and did kiss his feet. Right verse, but read it in context: Quote 12 And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words the whole multitude fell to the earth; for they remembered that it had been prophesied among them that Christ should show himself unto them after his ascension into heaven. 13 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto them saying: 14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world. 15 And it came to pass that the multitude went forth, and thrust their hands into his side, and did feel the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet; and this they did do, going forth one by one until they had all gone forth, and did see with their eyes and did feel with their hands, and did know of a surety and did bear record, that it was he, of whom it was written by the prophets, that should come. 16 And when they had all gone forth and had witnessed for themselves, they did cry out with one accord, saying: 17 Hosanna! Blessed be the name of the Most High God! And they did fall down at the feet of Jesus, and did worship him. 18 And it came to pass that he spake unto Nephi (for Nephi was among the multitude) and he commanded him that he should come forth. 19 And Nephi arose and went forth, and bowed himself before the Lord and did kiss his feet. (3 Nephi 11:12–19) So Nephi was "among the multitude", and he got to go up to see Jesus twice: The first time he went before the resurrected Jesus, touching the wounds in His hands, feet, and side, the second time he bowed before the Lord and kissed his feet. Edited December 31, 2020 by InCognitus 1
CV75 Posted December 31, 2020 Posted December 31, 2020 12 hours ago, TheTanakas said: Wrong verse. And Nephi arose and went forth, and bowed himself before the Lord and did kiss his feet. Do you think so? This is why it would be good for you to study the whole chapter, and the whole Book of Helaman (Nephi is he same prophet there). I'm not sure why close scrutiny does not yield understanding. Please explain something for me: I've noticed that you and some other posters with the same -- for lack of my being able to think of a better word, "pattern" -- use the same format (very wide right margins). Why is that? 1
TheTanakas Posted January 1, 2021 Author Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 9:31 AM, CV75 said: Please explain something for me: I've noticed that you and some other posters with the same -- for lack of my being able to think of a better word, "pattern" -- use the same format (very wide right margins). Why is that? I have no idea about using wide or very wide margins.
TheTanakas Posted January 1, 2021 Author Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 10:30 PM, InCognitus said: Right verse, but read it in context: So Nephi was "among the multitude", and he got to go up to see Jesus twice: The first time he went before the resurrected Jesus, touching the wounds in His hands, feet, and side, the second time he bowed before the Lord and kissed his feet. Ok. But I figured it could have been any of the 11 other disciples.
TheTanakas Posted January 1, 2021 Author Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 10:02 PM, teddyaware said: but I believe the writer was most likely thinking of the prophet Nephi who was foremost among the 12 Nephite disciples of Christ. Weren't the special 3 disciples who did not see death the foremost ones?
JLHPROF Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, TheTanakas said: Weren't the special 3 disciples who did not see death the foremost ones? Not necessarily. John was the beloved disciple who did not see death, but Peter was foremost as the Senior Apostle. Special has lots of applications. 2
teddyaware Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheTanakas said: Weren't the special 3 disciples who did not see death the foremost ones? I’m guessing you’re unaware of the fact that the resurrected Christ singled Nephi out among the Nephites at the very beginning of his ancient American ministry, calling him forward to stand before the Nephite multitude as the first disciple to whom he gave the power and authority to baptize? Sounds like the foremost disciple to me. 18 And it came to pass that he spake unto Nephi (for Nephi was among the multitude) and he commanded him that he should come forth. 19 And Nephi arose and went forth, and bowed himself before the Lord and did kiss his feet. 20 And the Lord commanded him that he should arise. And he arose and stood before him. 21 And the Lord said unto him: I give unto you power that ye shall baptize this people when I am again ascended into heaven. (3 Nephi 11) Edited January 1, 2021 by teddyaware
CV75 Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 5 hours ago, TheTanakas said: I have no idea about using wide or very wide margins. 5 hours ago, TheTanakas said: Ok. But I figured it could have been any of the 11 other disciples. 5 hours ago, TheTanakas said: Weren't the special 3 disciples who did not see death the foremost ones? At this point, do you understand that Nephi was a prophet (Book of Helaman), that he knelt before Christ's resurrected body and touched his wounds (3 Nephi 11), and can properly be identified as the prophet in the manual you referenced?
TheTanakas Posted January 2, 2021 Author Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, CV75 said: At this point, do you understand that Nephi was a prophet (Book of Helaman), that he knelt before Christ's resurrected body and touched his wounds (3 Nephi 11), and can properly be identified as the prophet in the manual you referenced? Yes, but the manual should have been much more specific because it could have been one of the 11 others too. Edited January 2, 2021 by TheTanakas
CV75 Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, TheTanakas said: Yes, but the manual should have been much more specific because it could have been one of the 11 others too. "Should"? Maybe "could but didn't". It did not identify any of the other prophets by name, either. The manual is as much a guide as a source of data. We are encouraged (including in the manual) to explore further as questions arise. Asking here as you did is one way to do that and I'm glad you got some good answers. Plus, I believe discipleship helps us to deal with ambiguity when we still conclude from our exploration that it could have also been any of the 12, but we can still see the rationale for Nephi.
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