smac97 Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rain said: I've not heard that specific thing taught, but similarly I have heard that women basically get a free pass because of covenants made in the temple, though I disagree with that. I disagree with that also. Thanks, -Smac
JLHPROF Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, Rain said: I've not heard that specific thing taught, but similarly I have heard that women basically get a free pass because of covenants made in the temple, though I disagree with that. Since that covenant was changed in 1990 I don't see how that could be true anymore.
Damien the Leper Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 7:59 AM, smac97 said: Quick thoughts: 1. Women are as spiritually capable as men. Men can exercise faith in Christ unto exaltation, and so can women. Concomitantly, I believe that men can debase themselves unto perdition, and so can women. 2. I think the reference to "sons of perdition" is, in some instances, a figure of speech that is not intended to be construed narrowly. For example, in D&C 93:4 the Lord states: "The Father because he gave me of his fulness, and the Son because I was in the world and made flesh my tabernacle, and dwelt among the sons of men." And in JST, Mark 3:22, the Lord states: "But he answered them and said, Verily I say unto you, All sins which men have committed, when they repent, shall be forgiven them; for I came to preach repentance unto the sons of men." Jesus didn't dwell exclusively among XY-chromosome carriers, nor did he "preach repentance" unto only XY-chromosome carriers. 3. Based on the foregoing considerations, I think "sons of Perdition" is a figurative expression, and can apply to both men and women. However, I'm fairly ambivalent on this issue. I am open to being wrong about it. 4. I seldom give the foregoing considerations much thought. I think it has a tendency to create idle curiosity that devolves into judgmentalism (about who is or might be a son of Perdition). Thanks, -Smac Everything here looks good except for the Arian heresy in number 2.
bluebell Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 4 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Since that covenant was changed in 1990 I don't see how that could be true anymore. Do you believe it is true for women who went through before 1990?
JLHPROF Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, bluebell said: Do you believe it is true for women who went through before 1990? I don't think we know. But perdition requires receiving all laws and truth and rejecting them. It requires breaking covenants. Wherever that can't happen then perdition can't either. 1
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