Lehi -- Lech Lecha: Onomasticon?

[USU78]

On my mission back in the early 70s, I briefly taught a Jewish student in Vienna. While explaining about Lehi, I saw him start to shake with excitement. He drew a line between the name of the prophet Lehi and the Genesis tale of Abram beginning his travels. Its title?

Lech Lecha.

Question for those who know a whole heckuva lot more Hebrew than me: could Lehi be a play on Lech Lecha?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech-Lecha

 

Edited August 4, 2018 by USU78
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[Stargazer]

34 minutes ago, USU78 said:

On my mission back in the early 70s, I briefly taught a Jewish student in Vienna. While explaining about Lehi, I saw him start to shake with excitement. He drew a line between the name of the prophet Lehi and the Genesis tale of Abram beginning his travels. Its title?

Lech Lecha.

Question for those who know a whole heckuva lot more Hebrew than me: could Lehi be a play on Lech Lecha?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech-Lecha

 

Don't know, but I heard a talk by Cleon Skousen where he described a village or town in Palestine where the people (not Jews) revered a place they called "Beth Lechi", because it was named after a prophet.  "The House of Lehi".  I think it was supposedly somewhere near Jerusalem.

[USU78]

Volgadon, when he was around these here parts, could have answered straightaway. I once asked him about Lech Lecha' s possible connection to Nephi's "I will go and do," as a possible parallel to the Abram experience, but he didn't think so.

I didn't bring up the experience with the Jewish college kid in Vienna or his seeing a connection with Lehi.

I can't seem to be able to let the thought go.

[mfbukowski]

2 hours ago, USU78 said:

On my mission back in the early 70s, I briefly taught a Jewish student in Vienna. While explaining about Lehi, I saw him start to shake with excitement. He drew a line between the name of the prophet Lehi and the Genesis tale of Abram beginning his travels. Its title?

Lech Lecha.

Question for those who know a whole heckuva lot more Hebrew than me: could Lehi be a play on Lech Lecha?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech-Lecha

 

Clearly Poland is therefore the land of the Nephites.

I KNEW someone would figure that out!!

Wikipedia:

"Lech (pronounced [ˈlɛx]) is a Polish masculine given name. Lech was the name of the legendary founder of Poland. Lech also appears as a surname, with 14,289 people having the name in Poland."

 

[Robert F. Smith]

2 hours ago, USU78 said:

On my mission back in the early 70s, I briefly taught a Jewish student in Vienna. While explaining about Lehi, I saw him start to shake with excitement. He drew a line between the name of the prophet Lehi and the Genesis tale of Abram beginning his travels. Its title?

Lech Lecha.

Question for those who know a whole heckuva lot more Hebrew than me: could Lehi be a play on Lech Lecha?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech-Lecha .

The word is "onomasticon."

Gen 12:1, "Get thee out of thy country" might be used as a play on the command to Lehi in 1 Ne 2:2, but only as a third person reference to a first person command in the Book of Lehi, where more detail would naturally be found.  Hebrew Lek, leka would only be somewhat like the name leḥi, the kaf and ḥet not being the same letters.  Another problem is that the BofM is engraved in Egyptian, not Hebrew.

[Robert F. Smith]

7 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Clearly Poland is therefore the land of the Nephites.

I KNEW someone would figure that out!!

Wikipedia:

"Lech (pronounced [ˈlɛx]) is a Polish masculine given name. Lech was the name of the legendary founder of Poland. Lech also appears as a surname, with 14,289 people having the name in Poland."

Yeh, remember President Lech Walesa of Poland?

[USU78]

38 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

The word is "onomasticon."

Gen 12:1, "Get thee out of thy country" might be used as a play on the command to Lehi in 1 Ne 2:2, but only as a third person reference to a first person command in the Book of Lehi, where more detail would naturally be found.  Hebrew Lek, leka would only be somewhat like the name leḥi, the kaf and ḥet not being the same letters.  Another problem is that the BofM is engraved in Egyptian, not Hebrew.

Yup. That was pretty much Volgadon's view. My recent re-read of Gileadi's Isaiah reminded me that sometimes letters of similar types get jumbled by scribes and sometimes bilingual puns are more tenuous and messy than modern scholars would like.

Aleph is sometimes ayin.

Kaf is sometimes Chet.

Chet is sometimes heh.

Though most of the time he's Atkins.

[USU78]

45 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

The word is "onomasticon."

Yup. Missed that one in my spell check. Miserable phone.

[mfbukowski]

45 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Yeh, remember President Lech Walesa of Poland?

 

Yeah, you mean the guy who made Communism fall in Eastern Europe?..... (ok, well not exactly single handedly....  )

Man that Polish stubbornness is all over that face.  Not a guy you would want to mess with.

 

[USU78]

59 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Clearly Poland is therefore the land of the Nephites.

I KNEW someone would figure that out!!

Wikipedia:

"Lech (pronounced [ˈlɛx]) is a Polish masculine given name. Lech was the name of the legendary founder of Poland. Lech also appears as a surname, with 14,289 people having the name in Poland."

East of the Oder, Lech is a guy.

West of the Oder, lech is a lick.

You don't want Lech quoting Goetz' last words in Sunday School.

[mfbukowski]

8 minutes ago, USU78 said:

Yup. That was pretty much Volgadon's view. My recent re-read of Gileadi's Isaiah reminded me that sometimes letters of similar types get jumbled by scribes and sometimes bilingual puns are more tenuous and messy than modern scholars would like.

Aleph is sometimes ayin.

Kaf is sometimes Chet.

Chet is sometimes heh.

Though most of the time he's Atkins.

Oh my gosh- I was reading that line by line figuring out how I was going to pun it and you beat me to it!

Totally cracked me up!

Great minds- 

I guess I was Meh at the time.

[mfbukowski]

1 minute ago, USU78 said:

East of the Oder, Lech is a guy.

West of the Oder, lech is a lick.

You don't want Lech quoting Goetz' last words in Sunday School.

I just want to make sure I am not downwind from the Oder. 

[USU78]

1 minute ago, mfbukowski said:

I just want to make sure I am not downwind from the Oder. 

For those who never read it, a little bit on Lech: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Götz_von_Berlichingen_(Goethe)

[Stargazer]

51 minutes ago, USU78 said:

East of the Oder, Lech is a guy.

West of the Oder, lech is a lick.

You don't want Lech quoting Goetz' last words in Sunday School.

Except that west of the Oder its "Leck" not "Lech".

Although Berliners are weird; they might just pronounce it that way just to be different.

"Ik bin ein Berliner."  My late wife could speak a bit of Berliner Deutsch.  It really sounds funny.

[USU78]

3 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Except that west of the Oder its "Leck" not "Lech".

Although Berliners are weird; they might just pronounce it that way just to be different.

"Ik bin ein Berliner."  My late wife could speak a bit of Berliner Deutsch.  It really sounds funny.

Lech would be second person singular imperative

[Stargazer]

Just now, USU78 said:

Lech would be second person singular imperative

Uh, sorry, no it isn't. In dieser Hinsicht kenne ich mich ein bissel aus.  Second person singular (informal) imperative of "lecken" (to lick) is "leck".  Second person plural (informal) imperative is "leckt". 

Unless you're trying to be funny or have a version of plattdeutsch in mind.

[USU78]

2 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Uh, sorry, no it isn't. In dieser Hinsicht kenne ich mich ein bissel aus.  Second person singular (informal) imperative of "lecken" (to lick) is "leck".  Second person plural (informal) imperative is "leckt". 

Unless you're trying to be funny or have a version of plattdeutsch in mind.

Goethe's Goetz.

[Okrahomer]

Also sprach der gute Goethe:

“Wo viel Licht ist, ist starker Schatten.”

 

[USU78]

2 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Uh, sorry, no it isn't. In dieser Hinsicht kenne ich mich ein bissel aus.  Second person singular (informal) imperative of "lecken" (to lick) is "leck".  Second person plural (informal) imperative is "leckt". 

Unless you're trying to be funny or have a version of plattdeutsch in mind.

Just checked my actual book: oopsers. Du hast recht.

Had a professional with an idiosyncratic pronunciation set: lits of terminal ks were pronounced as ch's. 

There goes my joke.

[cinepro]

12 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Don't know, but I heard a talk by Cleon Skousen where he described a village or town in Palestine where the people (not Jews) revered a place they called "Beth Lechi", because it was named after a prophet.  "The House of Lehi".  I think it was supposedly somewhere near Jerusalem.

I'm not going to say that Cleon Skousen was wrong about this, because even I have to admit that it's possible for a person to be right about just one thing in their lives, and this might have been Skousen's one thing.

Edited August 5, 2018 by cinepro

[mfbukowski]

On 8/4/2018 at 12:45 PM, USU78 said:

For those who never read it, a little bit on Lech: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Götz_von_Berlichingen_(Goethe)

You are clearly an evil man

 

 

So much better an insult than kissing.....  Those poetic Germans!  Who knew the great Goethe had it in him.....   so to speak.....

Oh my gosh- where can I find the Mozart performed?

 

Edited August 6, 2018 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

22 hours ago, cinepro said:

I'm not going to say that Cleon Skousen was wrong about this, because even I have to admit that it's possible for a person to be right about just one thing in their lives, and this might have been Skousen's one thing.

When I first joined the church someone told me to read all his books- ALLLLLL and I actually did

Miraculously, I am still here.....