bluebell Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 7 hours ago, rongo said: Well, if it's like any other room (classroom, or bishop's office) in our church buildings, then yes, I do know what it looks like. Barring some exotic configuration like an L-shaped room or something. How old is your building? Church buildings are stereotyped and mass-produced, cookie-cutter style. Unless you are in some old pioneer tabernacle or something, we all know exactly what the room and room layout looks like. And where they put those windows in. Like I said, it was built in the 1960s. It doesn’t look like any other bishop’s Office I’ve been in. 1
Tacenda Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, bluebell said: Like I said, it was built in the 1960s. It doesn’t look like any other bishop’s Office I’ve been in. My new ward house is in a really old church as well. And the bishop's office is much larger than regular LDS churches, and it even has a little room connected to it, so very unsafe. In fact the nursery is in the basement, kind of spooky. When I first saw it, before I moved, I sub'd at a school nearby and thought it was another faith's church, I wasn't right by it. It sits right behind the Layton Elementary school. But we live quite a bit west of it in a new subdivision. This isn't your church is it?
Calm Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) We were in a very old church prior to the last ward change. Nursery in the basement. Two story. Kids loved it. We would let achievement days out a bit early to let them play hide and seek. Edited June 26, 2018 by Calm
bluebell Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Tacenda said: My new ward house is in a really old church as well. And the bishop's office is much larger than regular LDS churches, and it even has a little room connected to it, so very unsafe. In fact the nursery is in the basement, kind of spooky. When I first saw it, before I moved, I sub'd at a school nearby and thought it was another faith's church, I wasn't right by it. It sits right behind the Layton Elementary school. But we live quite a bit west of it in a new subdivision. This isn't your church is it? No, I’m talking about my parents’ chapel in Wyoming my chapel here in Layton was probably built in the early 90s. It’s pretty typical. 😊
ksfisher Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 On 6/25/2018 at 9:54 AM, rongo said: How old is your building? Church buildings are stereotyped and mass-produced, cookie-cutter style. Unless you are in some old pioneer tabernacle or something, we all know exactly what the room and room layout looks like. And where they put those windows in. The cookie cutter buildings are a relatively modern development in my mind. I've been a member of 6 wards in my life and each building had a unique layout. The newest of them was probably built in the 60's. The oldest, the one I attend now, was completed in two stages. The cultural hall half of the building in the mid twenties and the chapel section in the early thirties. Extensive remodeling since then, but the basic configuration has remained the same.
Walden Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 11:30 AM, bsjkki said: The saddest part to me is this guy was not thoroughly investigated in 2005 nor flagged somehow when dismissed as a teacher so many years ago. This child molester was a Sunday School teacher? The fact that someone with these predilections would be called to serve as a Sunday School teacher seems to fly in the face of the notion that bishop's have any special powers of discernment. Maybe I am wrong in that notion? Growing up in the church, I was taught (maybe not as part of canon, but in my own experience being raised by a member of the bishopric and in the general conversations surrounding priesthood powers) that members of the bishopric had "heightened" powers of discernment, particularly when it came to extending callings, and that they prayed for guidance when deciding who to extend callings to. Do bishops not have this special guidance from the Holy Ghost in making these decisions? If they do, did his bishop just not read the spirit correctly when he extended such a calling to a child molester, or at least a man with thoughts/instincts to harm children? If the bishop does not have this special guidance, then what is the point?
bsjkki Posted June 29, 2018 Author Posted June 29, 2018 21 hours ago, Walden said: This child molester was a Sunday School teacher? The fact that someone with these predilections would be called to serve as a Sunday School teacher seems to fly in the face of the notion that bishop's have any special powers of discernment. Maybe I am wrong in that notion? Growing up in the church, I was taught (maybe not as part of canon, but in my own experience being raised by a member of the bishopric and in the general conversations surrounding priesthood powers) that members of the bishopric had "heightened" powers of discernment, particularly when it came to extending callings, and that they prayed for guidance when deciding who to extend callings to. Do bishops not have this special guidance from the Holy Ghost in making these decisions? If they do, did his bishop just not read the spirit correctly when he extended such a calling to a child molester, or at least a man with thoughts/instincts to harm children? If the bishop does not have this special guidance, then what is the point? The sooner you realize Bishop's aren't going to be perfect, the happier you will be. Just like with any calling, many do their best, pray, seek for the spirit and try to listen and do things right. Some are really good at this but not perfect. I don't expect that I will be made perfect in the performance of any of my callings and the Bishop will also learn, grow, make mistakes and so on. He has the authority to make these callings and run the ward but he will not be perfect...don't expect it. I think we should be cautious in villifying Bishops nor should we expect they "exercise special powers of discernment." They have authority and discernment and we hope and pray they get things right more than they get things wrong. When they get things wrong, the consequences are great and hurt many, many people. The church has come out with stricter policies to protect the youth because it is hard to know who the bad guys are...even for Bishops. 1
Walden Posted June 29, 2018 Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, bsjkki said: The sooner you realize Bishop's aren't going to be perfect, the happier you will be. Just like with any calling, many do their best, pray, seek for the spirit and try to listen and do things right. Some are really good at this but not perfect. I don't expect that I will be made perfect in the performance of any of my callings and the Bishop will also learn, grow, make mistakes and so on. He has the authority to make these callings and run the ward but he will not be perfect...don't expect it. I think we should be cautious in villifying Bishops nor should we expect they "exercise special powers of discernment." They have authority and discernment and we hope and pray they get things right more than they get things wrong. When they get things wrong, the consequences are great and hurt many, many people. The church has come out with stricter policies to protect the youth because it is hard to know who the bad guys are...even for Bishops. I am very happy, thank you....so essentially, bishops are just like everyone else when it comes to powers of discernment.
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