Gray Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RevTestament said: I agree there is unjustified hate Gray. I just googled Westboro Baptist Church and found this website as their home page: http://www.godhatesfags.com I hope you do not put the LDS Church in this category. I in no way support this kind of hate. I also don't understand why such groups seem to single out gays and not adulterers or the many fornicators of our society. I am not going to go out and yell at "sinners." I'm not going to assume people are sinners. However, if someone wants to know how to get closer to God, I am going to advise them to repent of their sins. And I am going to tell them what I believe sin is. I don't single the LDS church out. By and large I think Mormons are more tolerant than many other conservative Christian groups. Opinions vary widely from member to member. Many members of my ward don't see gay marriage as sinful. We're repenting of our old ways, slowly. One person at a time. Edited January 8, 2018 by Gray 1
Calm Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) You shouldn't advertise their site by linking to them. Such publicity supports them unintentionally. Edited January 8, 2018 by Calm 2
kiwi57 Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Gray said: Yes, like the sin of intolerance towards gay people. And what are some examples of the sin of intolerance towards gay people?
longview Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, The Nehor said: There is no overarching Antifa organization to like or dislike. I dislike some of them. I admit I have a soft spot for the Antifa types whose main concern seems to be white supremacists coopting Japanese games and cartoons. Not that I think their cause is worthwhile or anything but they make me laugh. In general though I am pro-people punching Nazis and fascists. I think we should do more of it. I suspect your Antifa groups that hate American Exceptionalism are largely a myth created by white nationalists peddling garbage. If ones defense of American Exceptionalism requires defending people who throw Nazi salutes and wear ghost costumes then maybe that person should reevaluate their definitions of "American" and "Exceptionalism". https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/267741/antifa-demands-us-be-destroyed- -matthew-vadum Video has surfaced showing masked Antifa thugs in Berkeley, California . . . calling for the destruction of the United States. "No Trump, no wall, no USA at all!" the large gathering of cowardly black bloc-style protesters chanted at a conservative “No to Marxism” rally. It is becoming increasingly clear that the Antifa, short for anti-fascists, are the de facto militant arm of today’s Democratic Party, just as the Ku Klux Klan functioned as the murderous terrorist wing of the [same] party many years ago. "This is a political militia that is doing the bidding, in effect, of Nancy Pelosi and Governor Jerry Brown and the mayor of Berkeley and all these supposedly mainstream Democratic politicians, and this is a militia hurting American citizens for saying what they think," Tucker Carlson said on his Fox News Channel show . . ." (see https://www.dailywire.com/news/20350/carlson-antifas-democrats-militant-wing-robert-kraychik) Antifas coopting Japanese games and cartoons? Actually they are emulating Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists. Both are celebrated by far left newspapers such as the "Socialist Worker" and "DemocracyNow.Org" and "The Militant". 14 hours ago, The Nehor said: I like the First Amendment. I am not sure how you see hateful speech as "important" though. If you mean it is important to protect that argument has merit. I am not advocating taking away their rights or imprisoning them or having the government persecute them. I just think private citizens should punch them in their stupid faces, that they should lose their jobs when their horrible views are found out, that they should never get invited to anything, that people should throw mudballs at them as they walk down the street, and they should be socially scorned as fundamentally terrible people. I am sure your counsel to ignore the Nazis would have been very helpful to the Jews and other undesireables being carted off to death camps in the 30s and 40s. Have you considered writing a paper on how ignoring Nazis could have prevented the Holocause? Yours is a simplistic take. Viewpoints can and do change things and can hurt and threaten people. Hate speech is not something you can just ignore and ignoring it will render it harmless. You appear to be advocating rioting and lynch mobs? By ordinary citizens as well as antifa thugs? Edited January 8, 2018 by longview
Gray Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 56 minutes ago, longview said: https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/267741/antifa-demands-us-be-destroyed- -matthew-vadum Video has surfaced showing masked Antifa thugs in Berkeley, California . . . calling for the destruction of the United States. "No Trump, no wall, no USA at all!" the large gathering of cowardly black bloc-style protesters chanted at a conservative “No to Marxism” rally. It is becoming increasingly clear that the Antifa, short for anti-fascists, are the de facto militant arm of today’s Democratic Party, just as the Ku Klux Klan functioned as the murderous terrorist wing of the [same] party many years ago. "This is a political militia that is doing the bidding, in effect, of Nancy Pelosi and Governor Jerry Brown and the mayor of Berkeley and all these supposedly mainstream Democratic politicians, and this is a militia hurting American citizens for saying what they think," Tucker Carlson said on his Fox News Channel show . . ." (see https://www.dailywire.com/news/20350/carlson-antifas-democrats-militant-wing-robert-kraychik) Antifas coopting Japanese games and cartoons? Actually they are emulating Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists. Both are celebrated by far left newspapers such as the "Socialist Worker" and "DemocracyNow.Org" and "The Militant". You appear to be advocating rioting and lynch mobs? By ordinary citizens as well as antifa thugs? Your news sources seem to be getting you all riled up. Maybe Antifa are outside behind the bushes right now, waiting to strike!
pogi Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, longview said: "No Trump, no wall, no USA at all!" My counter-chant "Move to Africa or Tel Aviv, if you don't like it here then leave!"
longview Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, Gray said: Your news sources seem to be getting you all riled up. Maybe Antifa are outside behind the bushes right now, waiting to strike! Are you implying that these incidents were few and far between? The "Occupy Wall Street" and Antifa have plenty of followers and occur all over the country. Some are actually paid to participate (just look at the classified sections of underground papers in most cities). Consider the state of most colleges and universities, how they have promulgated "speech codes" that have placed dangerously chilling effect on free speech. 13 minutes ago, pogi said: My counter-chant "Move to Africa or Tel Aviv, if you don't like it here then leave!" Mine is: "If you detest free enterprise or despise Constitutional constraints, then move to North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela or Red China!" 1
Gray Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, longview said: Are you implying that these incidents were few and far between? The "Occupy Wall Street" and Antifa have plenty of followers and occur all over the country. Some are actually paid to participate (just look at the classified sections of underground papers in most cities). Consider the state of most colleges and universities, how they have promulgated "speech codes" that have placed dangerously chilling effect on free speech. It's possible that some of this is false flag activity from Russia trying to sow discord, which has been a part of their operation. Some of it is alt right media hype designed to get extremists scared of the Antifa bogeyman. Most colleges and universities are doing just fine, minus funding issues. Edited January 8, 2018 by Gray
Bob Crockett Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 So, Russia trying to sow discord in the US is wrong but J Reuben Clark can advise the state department to intervene in Nicaragua to protect big oil is ok? They all do it. The Soviets had lobbyists in Washington.
Gray Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, Bob Crockett said: So, Russia trying to sow discord in the US is wrong but J Reuben Clark can advise the state department to intervene in Nicaragua to protect big oil is ok? They all do it. The Soviets had lobbyists in Washington. Can you quote the person who is arguing that it's okay for J Reuben Clark to advise the state department to intervene in Nicaragua? Are you saying it's okay for the Russians to interfere in democratic elections and to try to spark conflicts at the grass roots level?
MDalby Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 On 1/4/2018 at 7:13 PM, strappinglad said: From what I've seen , tolerance is a one-way street. Nibley came to mind in this thread... Quote Along with his attitude of emancipation Korihor cultivated a crusading zeal and intolerance of any opposition, which has been thoroughly characteristic of his school of thought in modern times, calling all opposition "foolish" (Alma 30:13 - 14), "silly" (Alma 30:31), and the evidence of frenzied and deranged minds (Alma 30:16). (Hugh Nibley, Since Cumorah, 2nd ed. [1988], 379 - 80) 1
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