Calm Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I'm torn about taking statues down. Maybe keep them up and then tell the whole story? Or have more statues of slaves and their story? It does feel a little "1984"ish to take everything down as if it didn't occur. Sad I didn't know about our founding fathers use of slaves to the extent they did. Such as hearing recently one of them received a slave as a birthday gift. Sometimes I wish I was born in another country. That's not very American of me I know. Every country has its own issues. 1
thesometimesaint Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, stemelbow said: That's my point. Continuing revelation isn't unique to the Church at all, particularly when what is called revelation is just common sense to most in the world. Sadly, on the grounds of common sensical statements the Church has claimed a unique flow of continuous revelation. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I believe it was modern day revelation to go to the Block System of meetings. It also made common sense.
stemelbow Posted August 22, 2017 Author Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, thesometimesaint said: The two aren't mutually exclusive. I believe it was modern day revelation to go to the Block System of meetings. It also made common sense. Too bad that revelation didn't extend beyond how long Church is to be into what we teach and how we conduct our meetings.
BlueDreams Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, stemelbow said: That's my point. Continuing revelation isn't unique to the Church at all, particularly when what is called revelation is just common sense to most in the world. Sadly, on the grounds of common sensical statements the Church has claimed a unique flow of continuous revelation. I would just like to make it clear that that is most definitely not mine. I stop agreeing with you from the point in bold. WIth luv, BD
stemelbow Posted August 22, 2017 Author Posted August 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, BlueDreams said: I would just like to make it clear that that is most definitely not mine. I stop agreeing with you from the point in bold. WIth luv, BD Well good to know you agree that continuing revelation isn't unique to the Church. It is interesting that you would say it is not unique to the Church, but would object to say it is not unique to the Church at all. I don't think there's any difference there. But, i'm happy you offered your view.
BlueDreams Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I'm torn about taking statues down. Maybe keep them up and then tell the whole story? Or have more statues of slaves and their story? It does feel a little "1984"ish to take everything down as if it didn't occur. Sad I didn't know about our founding fathers use of slaves to the extent they did. Such as hearing recently one of them received a slave as a birthday gift. Sometimes I wish I was born in another country. That's not very American of me I know. Think of it as getting rid of revisionist history...where the confederate leaders were heroes protecting "states right" v. rebels who were willing to tear our nation in two for the belief in white supremacy and slavery. Or at least removal of white supremacy propaganda used to remind AA's and other minorities of "their place." Honestly there are so so so so many ways to think of this other than some form of 1984 montage. And it may pay off to read a history book or two. Or at least a history channel special on slavery. I looked up a few on youtube: here's a shorty. here's another And I second what Calm says, there's no such thing as a perfect country. They all have nasty histories. And most still have problems today. With luv, BD 1
thesometimesaint Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, stemelbow said: Too bad that revelation didn't extend beyond how long Church is to be into what we teach and how we conduct our meetings. Total time is virtually the same, 3 hours per week. What the heck are you talking about? Sacrament Meetings are unchanged. Sunday School is still Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon, Church History(Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price). Priesthood Meetings and Relief Society, How to apply the Scriptures in our daily lives. How we conduct our meetings? If you want a tent revival type camp meeting. Those aren't going to happen any time soon.
Storm Rider Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, Tacenda said: I'm torn about taking statues down. Maybe keep them up and then tell the whole story? Or have more statues of slaves and their story? It does feel a little "1984"ish to take everything down as if it didn't occur. Sad I didn't know about our founding fathers use of slaves to the extent they did. Such as hearing recently one of them received a slave as a birthday gift. Sometimes I wish I was born in another country. That's not very American of me I know. When you find that perfect nation with a perfect history please let me know. I am not aware of one, but it would be great to find one. When you study world history you will find that slavery was a pretty universal social instrument, program, or whatever you want to call it. I would be interested if there has ever been a people that does not have a heritage of being enslaved at one time or another in their history. It seems to have existed on each of the populated continents. Worse, it goes on today in several continents. Our nation does a good job of focusing on the enslavement of Africans in the United States while pretty much ignoring slavery continuing. As a society we seem to choose those issues that become paramount and absorb our focus and forget about everything else. We turn a blind eye to everything else but our sacred social cows. I am not sure that is a peculiar trait, rather it may just be part of the human condition. I don't really know the answer. Edited August 23, 2017 by Storm Rider 1
carbon dioxide Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 On 8/21/2017 at 11:07 AM, thesometimesaint said: I have no problem with hating the southern cause of the bloodiest war in American history. What was the southern cause? Was it slavery they were fighting over or did it involve states rights issues and the right for the states to leave the US.
Storm Rider Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 9 hours ago, carbon dioxide said: What was the southern cause? Was it slavery they were fighting over or did it involve states rights issues and the right for the states to leave the US. If one actually studies history or even just human history it is quickly revealed that there is never just a single issue. We tend to be more complex individuals with a range of issues. It would be better to say that the cause of slavery was one of the leading motivations for the south choosing to leave the nation. Where the South is painted as having only a single issue - slavery, and all other issues are painted as just a smoke screen for the real issue, the North is seldom credited for having a single issue - defeating slavery. Where most know that no other war has caused more deaths of US soldiers the blood spilt and sacrificed is seldom recognized as any form of payment for the fact that slavery existed.
thesometimesaint Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 9 hours ago, carbon dioxide said: What was the southern cause? Was it slavery they were fighting over or did it involve states rights issues and the right for the states to leave the US. The southern cause(CSA) was the protection/maintenance of chattel slavery by armed rebellion against the USA.
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