Jaredite-like migrations from the west ~3000 BC

[Rajah Manchou]

Recent testing of ancient DNA shows that the early populations of Mongolia migrated there from the west around 3000 BC, bringing with them sheep, cattle, chariots, horses and crops. Maybe bees too.

"The data from this study demonstrate that matrilines considered western or European were present in number on the eastern Eurasian steppe as far back as the Bronze Age and were found on the Mongol Steppe even during the Neolithic, refuting prior hypotheses that the Altai Mountain range posed a genetic or population barrier." (source)

So it looks like we can get the Jaredites, or rather groups that would closely resemble Jaredites, to the Pacific coast at the right time.

[RevTestament]

I don't think Scythians are Jaredites - at least in their eastward migration. Scythians were pagan. The Jaredites were about 2300 BC - their migration that is. 

[Rajah Manchou]

32 minutes ago, RevTestament said:

I don't think Scythians are Jaredites - at least in their eastward migration. Scythians were pagan. The Jaredites were about 2300 BC - their migration that is. 

I agree, Scythians came much later. This would be more around the time of Yamnaya and Afanasevo (and Tocharians) on the western side and the Qijia on the eastern side.

The maternal lines of these steppe nomads are showing close affinities with Europe and the Near East (Iran) while the paternal lines are haplogroup Q, also from the Near East or Pontic Steppe. Q is also the dominant haplogroup in the New World at 90%+. 

Edited February 28, 2017 by Rajah Manchou

[Gray]

34 minutes ago, RevTestament said:

I don't think Scythians are Jaredites - at least in their eastward migration. Scythians were pagan. The Jaredites were about 2300 BC - their migration that is. 

2300 BCE is way before Judaism. Everyone would have been "pagan" from our perspective. 

[RevTestament]

7 hours ago, Rajah Manchou said:

I agree, Scythians came much later. This would be more around the time of Yamnaya and Afanasevo (and Tocharians) on the western side and the Qijia on the eastern side.

The maternal lines of these steppe nomads are showing close affinities with Europe and the Near East (Iran) while the paternal lines are haplogroup Q, also from the Near East or Pontic Steppe. Q is also the dominant haplogroup in the New World at 90%+. 

Is there any other studies or data which would link Q to the Middle East or east Europe?

[Rajah Manchou]

3 hours ago, RevTestament said:

Is there any other studies or data which would link Q to the Middle East or east Europe?

Here is a Nat Geo map of the path of Q to the New World.

Of course, the important element is timing. The Q we find in the Near East branched off from the Q we find in the Americas long before the Jaredites. The debate over Q's origins is ongoing and will continue as more ancient DNA results come out. But what is clear is that the most diversity of Q is found in the Near East and West Eurasia. For example, Q-M346 is found from Iran to Mongolia. It is also found in the New World.

The branches directly downstream from Q-M346 are:

Q-M346 — Found at low frequency in Europe, South Asia and West Asia. It has been found in Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, India, Myanmar, Bali and Mongolia. Also found in Bolivia, Paraguay Chile and Argentina.

• Q-L53 
  • Q-M3 — Common in indigenous peoples of the Americas
• Q-M323 — It has been detected in Yemenite Jews.

The interesting thing about Q-M346 is that it seems to have entered Indonesia from ~2,500 ago. So we have a paternal haplogroup that is present in both the Near East and South America passing through the islands from the time of the Lehites.

 

 

Edited March 1, 2017 by Rajah Manchou