Vance Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 7:25 PM, theplains said: 2) When Eve partook of the forbidden fruit first before Adam, why didn't she realize she and Adam were naked? Where does it say that? On 1/24/2017 at 7:25 PM, theplains said: Why did this knowledge only come to her after Adam partook? Where does it say that?
Alan Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 This knowledge only came to them when Lucifer told them. "See, you are naked...."
JLHPROF Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 16 hours ago, Vance said: Where does it say that? Where does it say that? Timeline indicates that Eve partook first then gave fruit to Adam after. If the fruit caused them to realize they were naked, would not Eve have realized it first? Personally, I don't think "knew that they were naked" is literal, but a metaphor for other things. 4 hours ago, Alan said: This knowledge only came to them when Lucifer told them. "See, you are naked...." Funny, I see no record of that conversation. Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. 10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Moses 4:12 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it became pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make her wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and also gave unto her husband with her, and he did eat. 13 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they had been naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons. 15 And I, the Lord God, called unto Adam, and said unto him: Where goest thou? 16 And he said: I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I beheld that I was naked, and I hid myself. 17 And I, the Lord God, said unto Adam: Who told thee thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat, if so thou shouldst surely die? 18 And the man said: The woman thou gavest me, and commandest that she should remain with me, she gave me of the fruit of the tree and I did eat.
JLHPROF Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 7 hours ago, Alan said: Temple endowment presentation. Fair enough. I see that now on review. Very interesting point - they didn't realize they were naked because they partook of the fruit. The adversary pointed it out. I am still rather of the belief that the whole eating the fruit/naked/fig leaves etc is metaphor for physical procreation.
RevTestament Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 8 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Fair enough. I see that now on review. Very interesting point - they didn't realize they were naked because they partook of the fruit. The adversary pointed it out. I am still rather of the belief that the whole eating the fruit/naked/fig leaves etc is metaphor for physical procreation. Nakedness is a metaphor for knowing our sin. Before Adam and Eve were innocent and knew not sin. The covering or skins are metaphorical for garments of righteousness or for the law covering our sin. Adam and Eve learned the law, and thereby learned their sin, and learned how to cover it. It's ironic that the serpent advises them to hide behind the skins or the law... They still have to learn more it seems. The law doesn't in itself provide sufficient cover for our sin.
MDalby Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/1/2017 at 7:14 AM, Alan said: I suggest that taking the fruit in other worlds had been done at the behest of God. We know God frequently visited the garden and walked and talked with Adam and Eve. I'm sure they weren't discussing the weather and the price of chips! They were being trained. I believe there would have come a time when He would have told them they had learned all they needed to learn and could now take the fruit. God has commanded us to multiply and replenish the earth. God has commanded us to resist sexual relations until after God approves and we are married. One is a commandment and the other is a temporary restraining order until we receive God's approval. We can keep both commandments but we need to wait until after we receive God's approval. God commanded Adam and Eve to multiply and replenish the earth. God commanded Adam and Eve to resist partaking the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. But after Eve had partaken of the fruit, Adam could no longer keep both commandments. Adam by himself could not “multiply and replenish the earth.” 23 And unto Adam, I, the Lord God, said: Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the fruit of the tree of which I commanded thee, saying—Thou shalt not eat of it... (Moses 4:23) Is the issue that Adam hearkened unto Eve rather than waiting until receiving God's approval? Just as God gives his approval and lifts the temporal restraining order for what was previously forbidden for a married couple... Could it be the same for Adam and Eve? Could God have eventually given his approval and lifted the temporal restraining order for what was previously forbidden for Adam and Eve? Mortality could then have been introduced without involving transgression, because it would have been given to Adam and Eve by God.
theplains Posted February 5, 2017 Author Posted February 5, 2017 On 01/02/2017 at 7:44 PM, Vance said: Where does it say that? Where does it say that? According to the scriptures, it says they realized they were naked after Adam ate. Thanks, Jim
Vance Posted February 6, 2017 Posted February 6, 2017 3 hours ago, theplains said: According to the scriptures, it says they realized they were naked after Adam ate. Thanks, Jim Not exactly. It doesn't specifically state WHEN they realized they were naked. A subtle difference, that may or may not mean anything.
theplains Posted February 7, 2017 Author Posted February 7, 2017 On 05/02/2017 at 7:06 PM, Vance said: Not exactly. It doesn't specifically state WHEN they realized they were naked. A subtle difference, that may or may not mean anything. "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons." It should also be noted that Eve felt pleasure (joy) before the Fall. Jim
thesometimesaint Posted February 8, 2017 Posted February 8, 2017 A&E were commanded to have joy in their children. They couldn't have children while in the Garden.
Tacenda Posted February 8, 2017 Posted February 8, 2017 3 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: A&E were commanded to have joy in their children. They couldn't have children while in the Garden. CFR 1
Vance Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 On 2/7/2017 at 5:17 PM, theplains said: "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons." It should also be noted that Eve felt pleasure (joy) before the Fall. Jim Why don't you/didn't you provide the reference? You know Chapter and Verse.
theplains Posted February 15, 2017 Author Posted February 15, 2017 On 11/02/2017 at 8:32 PM, Vance said: Why don't you/didn't you provide the reference? You know Chapter and Verse. Genesis 3:6-7. Jim
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