Teancum Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 7 hours ago, ERayR said: That depends on where you want to go. And where do you think I am going based on my post?
ERayR Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 16 hours ago, Teancum said: And where do you think I am going based on my post? I have no way of knowing nor do I want to venture a guess.
Teancum Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 5 hours ago, ERayR said: I have no way of knowing nor do I want to venture a guess. Then why comment on it?
Jim Stiles Posted June 11, 2016 Posted June 11, 2016 On 6/8/2016 at 7:50 PM, Steve Thompson said: And a quote from Reinhold Neibuhr: Extreme orthodoxy betrays by its very frenzy that the poison of skepticism has entered the soul of the church; for men insist most vehemently upon their certainties when their hold upon them has been shaken. Frantic orthodoxy is a method for obscuring doubt. Billy Sunday was a heretic, who had strong tendencies toward Pelagianism, but not as bad as Charles Grandison Finney. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism
Five Solas Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 On 6/11/2016 at 2:24 PM, Jim Stiles said: Billy Sunday was a heretic, who had strong tendencies toward Pelagianism, but not as bad as Charles Grandison Finney. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism There's more than a little irony in contemporary LDS on the board holding Billy Sunday up for derision. He championed the issue of his day, one that the LDS leadership of his era fervently supported--Prohibition (and he, much more than they, was instrumental in getting the job done/amendment passed). This would be analogous to the SSM issue in our day & age. Imagine if contemporary LDS leadership had a champion for their cause with the efficacy Sunday possessed. Where's the gratitude attitude, LDS? And his theology concerning Original Sin (your link above)--well, that should certainly please LDS too, then and now. In the Protestant pantheon, who should LDS appreciate more than Billy Sunday? Serious question, I'd like to know. --Erik 1
Calm Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Why do you think sharing a political position with someone would somehow exempt him in my eyes from needing to treat God and his worship with appropriate respect and not use his work for personal gratification?
Five Solas Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 8 minutes ago, Calm said: Why do you think sharing a political position with someone would somehow exempt him in my eyes from needing to treat God and his worship with appropriate respect and not use his work for personal gratification? I'm a curious choice to be defending Billy Sunday, but I will say that God judges the heart (Hebrews 4:12)--and that simply isn't known to you (or me). On an unrelated note, my "Ponderize" t-shirt shrunk badly after the first wash. Any idea where I can get my money back? ;0) --Erik
Calm Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) If you think I approve of people using leadership positions to make a buck, you would be wrong. And I am not judging his heart, but his behaviour and those who came to watch the spectacle. Edited June 13, 2016 by Calm
Scott Lloyd Posted June 13, 2016 Author Posted June 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Five Solas said: There's more than a little irony in contemporary LDS on the board holding Billy Sunday up for derision. He championed the issue of his day, one that the LDS leadership of his era fervently supported--Prohibition (and he, much more than they, was instrumental in getting the job done/amendment passed). This would be analogous to the SSM issue in our day & age. Imagine if contemporary LDS leadership had a champion for their cause with the efficacy Sunday possessed. Where's the gratitude attitude, LDS? And his theology concerning Original Sin (your link above)--well, that should certainly please LDS too, then and now. In the Protestant pantheon, who should LDS appreciate more than Billy Sunday? Serious question, I'd like to know. --Erik Which "contemporary LDS on the board is holding Billy Sunday up for derision"? Maybe you think Calm is, and if so, your quarrel is with her. But I only started the thread because I found the quote amusingly candid.
Calm Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 It is more disappointment than derision and at this time, it is directed more at those who attended his meetings for the entertainment of being shocked, etc. as opposed to desiring to worship. 1
Jim Stiles Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 16 hours ago, Calm said: Why do you think sharing a political position with someone would somehow exempt him in my eyes from needing to treat God and his worship with appropriate respect and not use his work for personal gratification? How much money did Billy Sunday make? How much money do the General Authorities make? Only the IRS and God know, and they are not telling.
The Nehor Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 I would rank the Holy Ghost above both of them put together.
Jim Stiles Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 8 hours ago, Calm said: It is not always about money. What were Billy Sunday's motivations then?
Calm Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Wouldn't know, not judging motivation, just behaviour. 1
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