The Nehor Posted April 6, 2015 Posted April 6, 2015 I would more likely be gay if I was raised in a bad environment with bad influences. Luckily I was raised by a loving mother and father that taught us the importance of relationships and marriage between man and woman. Thats why I am not gay in large part.
Brian 2.0 Posted April 6, 2015 Author Posted April 6, 2015 I had studied this issue for many decades before I went in prayer. It was through that process that the HG taught me that it is Satan's work to spread his homosexual agenda. It has always been that way. When man gets away from godliness he will always fall into immoral behavior with both sexes as a playground. The HG has taught me that you are wrong. .... .... Stalemate.
Daniel2 Posted April 6, 2015 Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) The HG has taught me that the gay epidemic in the world is largely due to social pressures and acceptance due to moral degradation of following after lusts of the flesh and selfish desires of that flesh. I cannot contend against such truth. Other factors do have an impact also be it a one time event on a scout outing, an overnighter at a friends house, etc. Parenting also plays a role n sexual identity. All of these factors contribute greatly to ones sexual desires and preferences.In some African tribes, the act of young boys performing fellatio on older tribe members and the act of ingesting semen is seen as an integral part of manhood because it's believed that boys are unable to mature into men unless they ingest semen. According to Sambia belief, the semen of a man possesses the “masculine spirit,” which young boys will be able to attain through his ingestion of semen.Despite this same-sex rite of passage among Sambian men, homosexuality is no more prevalent among the Sambian population than it is everywhere else.How do your HG revelations explain that...? Edited April 6, 2015 by Daniel2
ALarson Posted April 6, 2015 Posted April 6, 2015 I do not believe people are born gay. I believe largely that it is a choice based on several factors. That is what the HG teaches me. I have already received an answer.These posts have got to be a joke (not a funny joke). At least sarcasm?
The Nehor Posted April 6, 2015 Posted April 6, 2015 These posts have got to be a joke (not a funny joke). At least sarcasm?I do know of cases where severe trauma, abuse, or social isolation have warped sexuality but this seems more then that.
Mormonmaniac Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 I do not have to prove what the HG has taught me. I have received my witness and I am fine with the answer. Are people born homosexuals? Absolutely not. The same is said of adulterers. Are adulterers born adulterers? No. Gay people are not born gay. Gay people are gay because ultimately of their choice to be gay. BTW, I do not consider someone who has SSA as "gay".
Rock_N_Roll Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 I do not have to prove what the HG has taught me. I have received my witness and I am fine with the answer. Are people born homosexuals? Absolutely not. The same is said of adulterers. Are adulterers born adulterers? No. Gay people are not born gay. Gay people are gay because ultimately of their choice to be gay. BTW, I do not consider someone who has SSA as "gay".Well, then maybe you should keep what “the HG taught you” to yourself, because no one I know has received the information you claim to have received, including myself. And yes, I have fasted and prayed for the same answers. Do you even know any gay members of the church? If so, maybe you could lay your revelations out on them and see what they think? On further thought, maybe that would be a bad idea.
Mormonmaniac Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 Well, then maybe you should keep what “the HG taught you” to yourself, because no one I know has received the information you claim to have received, including myself. And yes, I have fasted and prayed for the same answers. Do you even know any gay members of the church? If so, maybe you could lay your revelations out on them and see what they think? On further thought, maybe that would be a bad idea.I teach all the time in church the sin of homosexuality. I also teach that young men should prepare themselves virtuously for a woman. I teach young women the same thing about preparing themselves virtuously for a man. We teach in the church that homosexuality is a sin. I do know gay members of the church and all the ones I know either do not attend church anymore or do not consider themselves faithful members. Again, I am not referring to people with SSA, but rather those who are openly gay and pursue that choice.
The Nehor Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 I teach all the time in church the sin of homosexuality. I also teach that young men should prepare themselves virtuously for a woman. I teach young women the same thing about preparing themselves virtuously for a man. We teach in the church that homosexuality is a sin. I do know gay members of the church and all the ones I know either do not attend church anymore or do not consider themselves faithful members. Again, I am not referring to people with SSA, but rather those who are openly gay and pursue that choice.Why would you teach about homosexuality all the time? It comes up maybe once a year in terms of topics and even then is just a side note to the more general law of chastity. Why would you be teaching it frequently? That is actually kind of creepy. 1
smac97 Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Hmm: A new poll released by WPA Opinion Research on behalf of the Family Research Councill shows that the vast majority of Americans support religious liberty in the workplace. Last week saw Governor Mike Pence (R-IN) signing Indiana's "Religious Freedom Restoration Act,” infuriating liberals zealots whom alleged his legislation encouraged discrimination against gays. ... “The news took it totally out of proportion. They lied about it. We said that we would serve anyone that walked in that door, even gays…”But we would not condone a wedding… That’s against our religious beliefs.” The owners of Memories Pizza are not alone, other companies such as Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A have been targeted by liberal media for discriminating against customers based on their sexual preference. According to the latest research, these business owners don't stand alone. In a survey of 800 registered voters 81% "agree government should leave people free to follow their own beliefs about marriage as well as live their daily lives at work and the way they run their businesses." Furthermore, 80% of non-religious Americans strongly support freedom to practice one's beliefs. Thanks, -Smac Edited April 7, 2015 by smac97
Scott Lloyd Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Hmm:Thanks,-SmacThis is big. Thanks for drawing our attention to it. The demographic breakouts are interesting. It would seem the more frequent churchgoers are the ones less apt to support religious freedom. I wonder why that is. Edited April 7, 2015 by Scott Lloyd
Mormonmaniac Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 Why would you teach about homosexuality all the time? It comes up maybe once a year in terms of topics and even then is just a side note to the more general law of chastity. Why would you be teaching it frequently? That is actually kind of creepy.No, whats creepy is how gay is taking over and becoming the new normal.
Gray Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 I would take the results of that poll with a grain of salt. Mainstream polling says most Americans are in favor of gay marriage.
Mormonmaniac Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 I would take the results of that poll with a grain of salt. Mainstream polling says most Americans are in favor of gay marriage.The poll wasnt about that, it was about how Americans feel about private businesses in light of how they can or should be able to worship.
Calm Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 Unfortunately the wiki article on the polling company reads like an advertisement, would like to know some background on the company on the range of polling they do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Perkins_Allen_Opinion_Research
Grudunza Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) http://www.whatsoeverisgood.com/why-its-okay-for-mormons-to-support-marriage-equality/ Edited April 7, 2015 by Grudunza
Gray Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 The poll wasnt about that, it was about how Americans feel about private businesses in light of how they can or should be able to worship. Okay, but given the source I'd still take it with a grain of salt.
smac97 Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 The poll wasnt about that, it was about how Americans feel about private businesses in light of how they can or should be able to worship. Actually, the poll asked about SSM as well, and it found that 53% agreed with the following statement: "I believe marriage should be defined ONLY as a union between one man and one woman." Further, 61% agreed with the following statement: "States and citizens should remain free to uphold marriage as the union of a man and a woman and the Supreme Court shouldn’t force all 50 states to redefine marriage." Thanks, -Smac
Pahoran Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Let the churches/mosques/synagogues/temples/shrine keepers/what have you discriminate for or against anyone they want to in the private sphere. The state has an affirmative responsibility to remove discrimination in the public sphere. So religious believers should stay in the closet. Got it. Regards, Pahoran
Pahoran Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Suppose it is in my religion to not serve Christians because I don't believe in their choice of lifestyle and beliefs. "Are you a Christian?" Customer, "Why yes I am!" "Sorry, we don't serve your types here. Goodbye. Have a nice day." Thank you for demonstrating that you don't have a plausible parallel to the right being sought. (Or if, as some holds, it already exists, then the right being protected.) I search (via Google) the annals of thought-crime in vain for any instances of anyone refusing to serve someone "gay" because "we don't serve your types here." How many instances can you find of a baker refusing to bake a birthday cake for a "gay" customer? How many instances can you find of a florist refusing to sell Mothers' Day flowers to a "gay" customer? How many instances can you find of a photographer refusing to photograph a "gay" customer's Bar Mitzvah? Because I can't find any. The freedom bakers, florists, photographers etc. wish they had is the freedom not to be forced to participate in -- or worse, attend -- a particular event. For most of them, the suggestion that they would be coerced into attending that type of event wasn't even on the horizon when they opened their doors. It wasn't what they signed up to. But now, if they refuse to participate, they do so at the risk of losing their entire livelihood. It is maliciously callous to cavalierly dismiss their principled concerns with a flippant remark like, "If they don't want to do that, they shouldn't have gone into business in the first place." Maliciously callous -- and yet not at all surprising. Regards, Pahoran
Pahoran Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 You have a point.........if anyone was forced by law to provide a service like that, there's no law that says is has to be good. All they would have to do is take crappy pictures or bake a really lousy , bad tasting cake. Suppose the person even tells the customer....."by law I can't refuse you my services...but I will be upfront with you....you will NOT like what you will get for your money. It will be the worst service you ever get. So you can force me to provide for you...or...go find another service. " What would happen then, I wonder? I would never be the kind of person to force someone to do anything, because I would surely be worried about exactly those kind of consequences happening! Why would anyone want to risk ruining their important occasion like that, just to prove a point? Red (PS...just for the record, it wouldn't bother me personally, providing those type of services to gays, blacks, Muslims or pink poka dot people. It would not offend me ) That might be one way of doing it. If two "gay" guys mince into a florist shop to demand (under threat of a lawsuit) that they provide flowers for their (heh heh) "wedding," the florist could claim that her artistic creativity inspires her to offer them a bunch of pansies. And if the next customer is a lesbian couple, the florist could feel excited about a Dutch theme, and offer tulips. Would they have grounds for a lawsuit? She hasn't refused to serve anyone, after all. Regards, Pahoran
The Nehor Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 No, whats creepy is how gay is taking over and becoming the new normal.Actually both are kind of creepy.
Brian 2.0 Posted April 8, 2015 Author Posted April 8, 2015 So religious believers should stay in the closet.Got it.Regards,PahoranNo. Business owners need to leave discrimination in the closet.
Pahoran Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 No. Business owners need to leave discrimination in the closet. Meaning, their consciences. Regards, Pahoran
Brian 2.0 Posted April 8, 2015 Author Posted April 8, 2015 Meaning, their consciences.Regards,PahoranIf the exercises of their consciences puts them on the other side of the law, then yes.
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