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Did God create Ebola?   

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  1. 1. Did God create Ebola?

    • A) Yes, No natural process
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    • B) Yes, God used natural processes to create Ebola
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    • C) No, it was created by natural processes (Viral Evolution) alone
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    • D) No, Satan created Ebola
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    • E) Ebola has always existed, it was brought by a meteorite
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So you created a poll and posted a video along with it that favors one of the poll responses?  I realize this is just an informal poll, but isn't that stacking the deck a little?

 

Also, you forgot to include several responses:

 

-None of the above

-All of the above

-Both A and B

-Both A and C

-Both B and C

-This is a stupid poll

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JAHS Grand Master

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Didn't vote.  Combination of A and B. God created the heavens and earth setting things in motion and then other things have developed afterwards naturally or other means.

God did not one day say to Himself "OK I am going to create Ebola so I can kill thousands of people",  but He allows nature to take its course to see how we will respond to whatever comes out of it.

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ksfisher Grand Master

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So...

 

If I answer A it means that God creates things that will cause people to die horrible deaths.

 

If I answer B it means that I don't believe God is the author of all creation.

 

If I answer C it means that I believe that Satan has somehow got control of God's creative powers.

 

The correct answer is probably much more nuanced and would show a better understanding of the Plan of Salvation and the consequences of living in a fallen world.

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So...

 

If I answer A it means that God creates things that will cause people to die horrible deaths.

 

If I answer B it means that I don't believe God is the author of all creation.

 

If I answer C it means that I believe that Satan has somehow got control of God's creative powers.

 

The correct answer is probably much more nuanced and would show a better understanding of the Plan of Salvation and the consequences of living in a fallen world.

 

I just added another option. 

I believe God created useful animals and plants using Evolution, but I do not believe God created evil. 

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ksfisher Grand Master

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I just added another option. 

I believe God created useful animals and plants using Evolution, but I do not believe God created evil. 

 

Why are you focusing on ebola?  One could very well ask why TB, HIV, MS, the common cold, influenza, cancer, etc exist. 

 

As I said, I think the real answer is much more nuanced that "did God create X disease." 

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Why are you focusing on ebola?  One could very well ask why TB, HIV, MS, the common cold, influenza, cancer, etc exist. 

 

Yes, any disease or pointless animal like the mosquito. 

 

 

As I said, I think the real answer is much more nuanced that "did God create X disease." 

 

So you do not have the real answer, but what is the real question? 

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Yes, any disease or pointless animal like the mosquito. 

 

 

 

So you do not have the real answer, but what is the real question? 

 

I don't know the real answer or the question either.

 

What I do know is that we have a Father in Heaven who loves us.  He loves us with a deeper love that we can probably comprehend at the moment.  He wants what is best for us.  He sees the pain and suffering of his children and can feel what we feel. He wants us to become like him and our experiences in this life are part of that process. 

 

That being said, we live in a world where disease, pain, poverty, hunger, war, and inhuman cruelty is inflicted people by other people.  Terrible things happen to very good people for reasons that we don't understand at the moment. 

 

I don't think we have the complete answers to why all of these things exist.  We live in a world where death is a part of life.  Faith in a loving Heavenly Father is essential and  we need to trust that all of this is for our good.  I don't understand how all of it is, but I trust in the wisdom of God that it is.

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I believe God did not create ex nihilo so there remains a chance that things like ebola are eternally existing or came from something else. While God created the earth He did not poof it into existence so much as, at least it seems to be the case, pulling his resources together and forming it.

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Why not a poll about the flu or blindness? Ebola is one of millions of challenges we face in mortality. It has a very low infection rate compared to the flu and other illnesses. This infection will come and go and, like SARS, will show how much the media makes something out of nothing.

Did God create car accidents? How about human sacrifices? Ebola is spreading because of ignorance not because of an insidious creator.

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Why not a poll about the flu or blindness? Ebola is one of millions of challenges we face in mortality. It has a very low infection rate compared to the flu and other illnesses. This infection will come and go and, like SARS, will show how much the media makes something out of nothing.

Did God create car accidents? How about human sacrifices? Ebola is spreading because of ignorance not because of an insidious creator.

 

This is just a way for him to get on his macro-evolution soapbox again.

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Why not a poll about the flu or blindness? Ebola is one of millions of challenges we face in mortality. It has a very low infection rate compared to the flu and other illnesses. This infection will come and go and, like SARS, will show how much the media makes something out of nothing.

Did God create car accidents? How about human sacrifices? Ebola is spreading because of ignorance not because of an insidious creator.

 

Six red herring fallacies 

 

 

This is just a way for him to get on his macro-evolution soapbox again.

 

Can you please answer? A B C or D? 

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Did God create mosquitos?

Did God create those big honkin' horse flies that bite like hell?

Did God create chicken pox?

Did God create sudden death syndrome?

Did God create malaria?

Did God create AIDs?

Did God create the common cold?

Did God create tapeworms?

Did God create poison oak?

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Did God create mosquitos?

Did God create those big honkin' horse flies that bite like hell?

Did God create chicken pox?

Did God create sudden death syndrome?

Did God create malaria?

Did God create AIDs?

Did God create the common cold?

Did God tapeworms?

Did God create poison oak?

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I don't think so, natural processes alone without any kind of intelligent intervention. They are pointless things. 

 

 

E -  None of the above

 

I added another option.  

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Did God create mosquitos?

Did God create those big honkin' horse flies that bite like hell?

Did God create chicken pox?

Did God create sudden death syndrome?

Did God create malaria?

Did God create AIDs?

Did God create the common cold?

Did God tapeworms?

Did God create poison oak?

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God created both the visible and invisible.

 

Colossians 1:16

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.

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It was not my point to suggest that God had no hand in the creation of any of the above, but rather to suggest that the ebola virus is hardly unique. Hell, who "created" leprosy, after all? What about cancer (in any of its various forms)?

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First, created may be the wrong word.  Viruses seem to be one of the natural consequences of living in a fallen world.  If we're going to have a world in which to be proven they seem to be one of the things that comes along with it.  I don't know if you can classify that as natural or god created or what. 

 

Second, viruses and mosquitoes and all other such things are neither good nor evil.  A virus cannot choose whether it gets you sick or not.  A mosquito doesn't really seem to choose whether it's going to bite you or not.  Both are just doing what they are programed (for lack of a better word, but it may not be the right one) to do.  I don't know how one can say that a mosquito is evil, but an elephant or sheep or dolphin is good. 

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I disagree, God does not create evil. 

Mosquitos, malaria, AIDS, are pointless evil things. 

 

The scriptures do not talk about the creation of evil things or pointless creatures. 

 

Everything on this planet is related and has some point. Just because we don't know something doesn't make it evil

 

A great many plants including the cocoa plant are pollinated by the mosquito.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100721/full/466432a.html

 

Here is how the wolf changed the course of mighty rivers.

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Everything on this planet is related and has some point. Just because we don't know something doesn't make it evil

 

I agree that all life is related, but I do not believe that God created all life. 

 

 

A great many plants including the cocoa plant are pollinated by the mosquito.

 

What about Tuberculosis? 

 

 

Just because we don't know something doesn't make it evil

 

Yes, Mosquitoes cause the death of many people. They are evil in the sense that they cause a lot of harm to humans. 

 

 

Second, viruses and mosquitoes and all other such things are neither good nor evil.  A virus cannot choose whether it gets you sick or not.  A mosquito doesn't really seem to choose whether it's going to bite you or not.

 

They do not seem to have a free will, so they probably do not have a spirit, so mosquitoes were probably not created by God. 

Mosquitoes cause the death of a lot of humans, they are pointless, therefore mosquitoes are evil. 

 

 

 

 elephant or sheep or dolphin is good. 

 

Elephants can attack people, but they can also be very useful 

 

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