Teancum Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 It seems everyone back in the early Bible days lived hundreds and hundreds of years and were still able to have children. How was this possible and why do people now die out at 90 or 100? Tell me if I've made this thread before because my mind is drawing a blank. The answer is they really didn't live as long as the Bible says. The book of Genesis is mostly myth.
Teancum Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 A similar question would be, "Do all Genensis Patriarchs exist?"Easy! no!
Teancum Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Yes, they all lived those long ages. And Mordor is a real place.
strappinglad Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Because I am somewhat dense , can I get a couple of examples of spiritual truths that can be entirely divorced from the OT narrative?
strappinglad Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Has no one really not taken up this glorious typo and instead all we get are serious responses? I supposed I must restrain myself as well then. I was going to say something but then I thought that perhaps they don't make Levis like they used to .
Sevenbak Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) I don't believe it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI Edited October 12, 2014 by Sevenbak
Stone holm Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 I don't know there is a suggestion in Guns, Germs, And Steel, that the Earth may in ancient times have had some form of healing capacity that was destroyed as human civilization and animals became associated and more numerous. We may have somehow contaminated ourselves and our environment. On the other hand, Adam and Eve may have had genes in a more perfect state which degraded over time until modern sanitation kicked in along with modern medicine, although modern medicine itself may have contributed to gene degradation by allowing the less fit to survive. But it is fair to say, even our fallen world was probably almost paradaisical compared to current conditions.
Robert F. Smith Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Because I am somewhat dense , can I get a couple of examples of spiritual truths that can be entirely divorced from the OT narrative?In Buddhism, for example:The Four Noble Truths are a contingency plan for dealing with the suffering humanity faces -- suffering of a physical kind, or of a mental nature. The First Truth identifies the presence of suffering. The Second Truth, on the other hand, seeks to determine the cause of suffering. In Buddhism, desire and ignorance lie at the root of suffering. By desire, Buddhists refer to craving pleasure, material goods, and immortality, all of which are wants that can never be satisfied. As a result, desiring them can only bring suffering. Ignorance, in comparison, relates to not seeing the world as it actually is. Without the capacity for mental concentration and insight, Buddhism explains, one's mind is left undeveloped, unable to grasp the true nature of things. Vices, such as greed, envy, hatred and anger, derive from this ignorance. The Third Noble Truth, the truth of the end of suffering, has dual meaning, suggesting either the end of suffering in this life, on earth, or in the spiritual life, through achieving Nirvana. When one has achieved Nirvana, which is a transcendent state free from suffering and our worldly cycle of birth and rebirth, spiritual enlightenment has been reached. The Fourth Noble truth charts the method for attaining the end of suffering, known to Buddhists as the Noble Eightfold Path. http://www.pbs.org/edens/thailand/buddhism.htm .
The Nehor Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 In Buddhism, for example:The Four Noble Truths are a contingency plan for dealing with the suffering humanity faces -- suffering of a physical kind, or of a mental nature. The First Truth identifies the presence of suffering. The Second Truth, on the other hand, seeks to determine the cause of suffering. In Buddhism, desire and ignorance lie at the root of suffering. By desire, Buddhists refer to craving pleasure, material goods, and immortality, all of which are wants that can never be satisfied. As a result, desiring them can only bring suffering. Ignorance, in comparison, relates to not seeing the world as it actually is. Without the capacity for mental concentration and insight, Buddhism explains, one's mind is left undeveloped, unable to grasp the true nature of things. Vices, such as greed, envy, hatred and anger, derive from this ignorance. The Third Noble Truth, the truth of the end of suffering, has dual meaning, suggesting either the end of suffering in this life, on earth, or in the spiritual life, through achieving Nirvana. When one has achieved Nirvana, which is a transcendent state free from suffering and our worldly cycle of birth and rebirth, spiritual enlightenment has been reached. The Fourth Noble truth charts the method for attaining the end of suffering, known to Buddhists as the Noble Eightfold Path. http://www.pbs.org/edens/thailand/buddhism.htm .I would submit that to cease to desire is to cease to be human and to become something less. The Buddhist philosophy strikes me as distinctly negative and in many ways as almost cowardly. Instead of seeking joy it focuses on the cessation of pain. Instead of seeking the fulfillment of all our good desires it seeks to curb them.I do not want to become the metaphorical drop in the bucket as nirvana is achieved. A drop put in a bucket ceases to be a drop and ceases to exist. Buddhism is a form of nihilism. I can sympathize with it. Sometimes it seems being created is more trouble then it is worth but I do not see it as enlightened.
thesometimesaint Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI I believe the Scripture to be the word of God as far as they are translated correctly.
bcuzbcuz Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 The links between the patriarchs is stressed in the Old Testament, specifically stating who the father and who the son was. With all the "begats" clearly marking the progression of relationship through family lines, we know there were seven generations between Adam and Noah. But the OT life spans are 700 to 900 years. The patriarchs become fathers sometimes well beyond the age of 120 years. But if they actually lived 90 years, instead of 900, and became fathers between the age of 20 to 60, that moves the flood date forward by a thousand years.That means the earth was 3000 years old by the time of Christ and our present time, is now at 5000 years. All of you who set your clocks, awaiting the end of times at roughly 6000 years, you can go back to sleep. The end is still 1000 - 14 = 986 years in the future.
The Nehor Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 The links between the patriarchs is stressed in the Old Testament, specifically stating who the father and who the son was. With all the "begats" clearly marking the progression of relationship through family lines, we know there were seven generations between Adam and Noah. But the OT life spans are 700 to 900 years. The patriarchs become fathers sometimes well beyond the age of 120 years. But if they actually lived 90 years, instead of 900, and became fathers between the age of 20 to 60, that moves the flood date forward by a thousand years.That means the earth was 3000 years old by the time of Christ and our present time, is now at 5000 years. All of you who set your clocks, awaiting the end of times at roughly 6000 years, you can go back to sleep. The end is still 1000 - 14 = 986 years in the future. This assumes that God is completely obsessed with large round numbers.
EllenMaksoud Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 It seems everyone back in the early Bible days lived hundreds and hundreds of years and were still able to have children. How was this possible and why do people now die out at 90 or 100? Tell me if I've made this thread before because my mind is drawing a blank.After the fall, it was normal for people to live hundreds of years. Later in the Bible God reduced life expectancy to 120 years. I anticipate a CFR, so I will start hunting for it. Oh, here it is, Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. While we are on the subject, the front of the Book of Mormon says, "Another Testament of Jesus Christ". The BoM does not replace the Bible, and having read the list of changes that were instituted by Mormons in the KJV, they were not major. In fact, I am told that Mormons use the unaltered KJV now days. I know people who have great facility with the BoM, something I envy, but know almost nothing about the KJV Bible. Hmmmm
The Nehor Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 wait - so you are saying there are long term benefits of incest? should we all move to germany? There are long-term benefits in a population if practiced intermittantly but in the short-term it is a disaster with a lot of broken humans so it is pretty unethical.
Ahab Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 I was going to say something but then I thought that perhaps they don't make Levis like they used to .Hmmm. Levi > Levitical > the preparatory priesthood > not the fulness of the priesthood of God that Moses and other prophets going back to Adam had > so what kind of jeans did they have? > better than Levi's.
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