Ghosts

[JLHPROF]

 

Speaking of Salina, [utah] and the great number of non-Mormons living there, he [bishop Hyrum Jensen] said that President Brigham Young once said that it would require a very good Saint to live in Salina, and not lose the faith, as the spot on which the city is built has been the scene of many an ancient battle in times when the Nephites and Lamanites were at war with each other. The pass through the mountains is the lowest of any place in the Wasatch range. The spirits of the ancient dead still hover around this place. Brother Jensen says it seems as though all the apostates gravitate to this place. He also says that out of all the young men who have been born and reared in this place he only knows two who have any faith. Were it not for the good teachers he has in the ward, the powers of evil would undoubtedly gain the ascendency.

--Journal of Abraham H. Cannon, May 20, 1894, see Candid Insights of a Mormon Apostle: The Diaries of Abraham H. Cannon, 1889-1895, Edward L. Lyman, editor, Salt Lake City, UT: Signature Books 2010.

 

Think this means spirits as in "people" or spirits as in "feelings"?

[Jeanne]

Question...question..I have a friend who says that she has seen several times a departed loved on who took his own life.  Now I have always heard that those who have left the earth in this way, are in limbo..what say ye?  Spirit..ghost..??  There are no messages or anything.

 

Thanks, Jeanne

[Calm]

LDS don't believe in limbo.

 

Here is a good article about suicide from the LDS perspective:

 

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1987/10/suicide-some-things-we-know-and-some-we-do-not?lang=eng

 

Not long ago I was asked to speak at the funeral of a dear friend who had committed suicide. Knowing the person and the circumstances as I did, and researching the doctrine on the subject, I had some difficult moments in preparing for my remarks. I know that any fully rational person who contemplates suicide must realize what a terribly selfish act this is. Peace came to me only when I recognized that only the Lord could administer fair judgment. He alone had all the facts, and only He would know the intent of the heart of my friend. I was reconciled with the idea that a lifetime of goodness and service to others must surely be considered by the Lord in judging the life of a person. In the Lord’s mercy, perhaps the words of Alma will apply:

“The plan of restoration is requisite with the justice of God; for it is requisite that all things should be restored to their proper order. Behold, it is requisite and just, according to the power and resurrection of Christ, that the soul of man should be restored to its body, and that every part of the body should be restored to itself.

“And it is requisite with the justice of God that men should be judged according to their works; and if their works were good in this life, and the desires of their hearts were good, that they should also, at the last day, be restored unto that which is good.” (Alma 41:2–3.)

I feel that judgment for sin is not always as cut-and-dried as some of us seem to think. The Lord said, “Thou shalt not kill.” Does that mean that every person who kills will be condemned, no matter the circumstances? Civil law recognizes that there are gradations in this matter—from accidental manslaughter to self-defense to first-degree murder. I feel that the Lord also recognizes differences in intent and circumstances: Was the person who took his life mentally ill? Was he or she so deeply depressed as to be unbalanced or otherwise emotionally disturbed? Was the suicide a tragic, pitiful call for help that went unheeded too long or progressed faster than the victim intended? Did he or she somehow not understand the seriousness of the act? Was he or she suffering from a chemical imbalance that led to despair and a loss of self-control?

Obviously, we do not know the full circumstances surrounding every suicide. Only the Lord knows all the details, and he it is who will judge our actions here on earth.

When he does judge us, I feel he will take all things into consideration: our genetic and chemical makeup, our mental state, our intellectual capacity, the teachings we have received, the traditions of our fathers, our health, and so forth.

 

[Stone holm]

Think this means spirits as in "people" or spirits as in "feelings"?

Spirits as in spirits of deceased persons. If you peruse the JD you will find many of the early GAs talking about such things, it became less fashionable after WWII.

[Kenngo1969]

I'm grateful for ghosts, of all kinds!! For it means we have more to look forward to then just being buried 6 feet under for eternity!!

As odd of a basis as some might think that is for a testimony, personally, I'm grateful that you have at least that much of one.  (And I say that in all sincerity and seriousness).

[Kenngo1969]

Question...question..I have a friend who says that she has seen several times a departed loved on who took his own life.  Now I have always heard that those who have left the earth in this way, are in limbo..what say ye?  Spirit..ghost..??  There are no messages or anything.

 

Thanks, Jeanne

Perhaps the "message" is, "I still exist" (in some form).