jkwilliams Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 With jkw as the instructor? Would jkw have as curriculum anything that looked like "Staying Silent in the Face of Unbearable Provocations by Drama Queens"? I was simply responding to why me's assertion that there's nothing that can be done about this issue. What the church does or does not teach has nothing to do with me, and I'm certainly not advocating "silence in the face of unbearable provocation from drama queens." Not sure where you got that.
USU78 Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 I was simply responding to why me's assertion that there's nothing that can be done about this issue. What the church does or does not teach has nothing to do with me, and I'm certainly not advocating "silence in the face of unbearable provocation from drama queens." Not sure where you got that. Just exploring the margins of your prescription.
EllenMaksoud Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 1. All the time (every week); in smaller wards and branches, it may happen once or twice a month (or less; the standards tend to be looser in smaller units, because the bishop or branch president cannot lord his authority over anyone if there's no one left to lord it over); 2. Everyone; to not do so would be to risk Church discipline; 3. In my ward, the Bishopric member conducting announces the names of people who are to be shunned. They are escorted to the front of the chapel, whereupon the rest of the congregation is instructed to stand and face away from the members being shunned, formally turning their backs on them. Shunned members then are escorted from the building through a side entrance, and the rest of the members in the congregation reassume their normal positions; 4. The Bishop presides over the formal shunning ceremony; 5. The remaining membership must maintain its unbesmirched purity somehow.I have never seen such a practice anywhere I have been in the Mormon church. Now the Four Square did an informal shunning on me, and that propelled me out of Christianity like a man spitting out a huge chew.
jkwilliams Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Just exploring the margins of your prescription. Then I'll take off the pharmacist's coat.
ERayR Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 A good start would be some positive instruction as to how to deal with people who leave. A good start would be some positive instruction as to how to deal with people who leave. You mean like love your neighbor or forgive those who trespass against you or maybe forgive 7 X 70 times. Oh wait that is the subject of numerous lessons in church. 2
Pahoran Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 I have never seen such a practice anywhere I have been in the Mormon church. Now the Four Square did an informal shunning on me, and that propelled me out of Christianity like a man spitting out a huge chew. Ken's post was a joke; his tongue was so firmly in his cheek that it's surprising anyone could make out a word he said. That's why one of the board nannies promptly started scolding him about how "inthenthitive" he was being. Regards, Pahoran
EllenMaksoud Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 Ken's post was a joke; his tongue was so firmly in his cheek that it's surprising anyone could make out a word he said.That's why one of the board nannies promptly started scolding him about how "inthenthitive" he was being.Regards,PahoranLOL
EllenMaksoud Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 On reflection, I want to say that my intent here isn't to accuse anyone but to let people know that this kind of thing happens, and it shouldn't. I very much appreciated Elder Holland's statement that he would never cut off any of his kids, no matter what. It just saddens me that such stuff happens.Are some ex-Mormons unpleasant jerks? Of course. I can be a jerk sometimes. Do some Mormons cut off family and friends who leave the church? Yes, it happens sometimes, even when the person being shunned isn't behaving badly.No matter our beliefs, we ought to treat each other with kindness and respect and not look for ways to build walls between us. That goes for all of us, in my view.And, there is that chance as small as it may be, that the church or someone in the church has not acted correctly and rather than put up with it a person just might walk away. A few weeks ago we had a lesson about why people walk away, and the person who gave it painted the "leavers" in a very dark light as if it was always their failing. I sit in the back now, so just got up and left.
Kaleb Webb Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 I don't think this would count as shunning per se, but I notice that there have been people in the Utah wards I've lived in that look down on people who haven't gone or don't plan on serving a mission, especially when it comes to dating.
Scott Lloyd Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) I don't think this would count as shunning per se, but I notice that there have been people in the Utah wards I've lived in that look down on people who haven't gone or don't plan on serving a mission, especially when it comes to dating. One tends to select a marriage partner from one's dating pool. And when selecting a marriage partner you had better look for somebody whose values match your own as closely as possible. It's foolhardy to do otherwise. I can't fault anyone for having personal filters. Edited June 18, 2014 by Scott Lloyd 2
why me Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 A good start would be some positive instruction as to how to deal with people who leave.This is true. I think that one should give a talk about it during sacrament meeting, with the the center of the talk being god's love for all and how important it is to express this love with those who have left the faith and who can also fight against it. I have found from personal experience that the best way to to keep contact and friendship through understanding the emotions of the other. Separation only causes pain for the person being shunned. I would hope that these members of the lds would put into practice the love that is often heard in the meetings.
ERayR Posted June 19, 2014 Posted June 19, 2014 I don't think this would count as shunning per se, but I notice that there have been people in the Utah wards I've lived in that look down on people who haven't gone or don't plan on serving a mission, especially when it comes to dating. I wouldn't look at that as shunning. Among other requirement the young ladies want someone who has served an honorable mission. Someone who has chosen not to serve a mission smply does not fill the requirements. Looks like preferential shopping.
ERayR Posted June 19, 2014 Posted June 19, 2014 A good start would be some positive instruction as to how to deal with people who leave. You mean like love thy neighbor? That's a great idea. I wonder if it could be worked into a Sunday school lesson or a sacrament meeting talk? Hey wait a minute it is. 1
ERayR Posted June 19, 2014 Posted June 19, 2014 I think shunning is cult like behaviour, maybe people need to be forewarned more. Would that be the quilting bee cult or the local coupon cult.
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