Kolob Makes The News

[why me]

http://nypost.com/2014/02/27/mormons-say-faithful-arent-taught-they-get-their-own-planets/

 

 

Mormons say faithful aren’t taught they get their own planets

 

SALT LAKE CITY — The Mormon Church is pushing back against the notion that members of the faith are taught they’ll get their own planet in the afterlife, a misconception popularized in pop culture most recently by the Broadway show “The Book of Mormon.”

A newly-posted article affirms the faith’s belief that humans can become like God in eternity, but says the “cartoonish image of people receiving their own planets” is not how members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints envision it.

“While few Latter-day Saints would identify with caricatures of having their own planet, most would agree that the awe inspired by creation hints at our creative potential in the eternities,” the article says.

The expectation of exaltation is more figurative and ambiguous than boiling it down to living on one planet, it says.

“Church members imagine exaltation less through images of what they will get and more through the relationships they have now and how those relationships might be purified and elevated,” the article says.

The 3,500-word article is part of a series of recent online pieces posted on the church website that explain, expand or clarify on some of the more sensitive gospel topics.

Past articles have addressed the faith’s past ban on black men in the lay clergy and the early history of polygamy.

The series of postings have been applauded by religious scholars who say the church is finally acknowledging some of the most controversial or sensitive parts of its history and doctrine that it once sidestepped.

“The church has become fully aware that scholarship and history is a double edge sword,” said Terryl Givens, professor of literature and religion and the James Bostwick Chair of English at the University of Richmond. “They can work in the church’s favor, but they can also be unsettling.”

The new article, entitled “Becoming Like God,” doesn’t mention Kolob, referred to in the Book of Abraham as a planet or star closest to the throne of God.

Kolob is mentioned in a Mormon hymn, but interpretations that it is the planet where God lives, or the place where church members will go when they die, read a great deal into an obscure verse in Mormon scripture, said Matthew Bowman, assistant professor of religion at Hampden-Sydney College.

“I’m not surprised it’s not mentioned,” Bowman said. “Even most Mormons aren’t sure what exactly to make of the reference.”

Kolob is believed to be the inspiration for the name of the planet, “Kobol,” in the science fiction TV series “Battlestar Galactica,” which was created by a Mormon.

Kolob is also mentioned in the Broadway show “The Book of Mormon” when a fictional Mormon missionary sings about all the things he believes as a church member.

“I believe that God has a plan for all of us. I believe that plan involved me getting my own planet,” he bellows, and later, “I believe that God lives on a planet called Kolob.”

People commonly latch on to the most outrageous or unique aspects of religions, such as Amish people using horse and buggy, and that’s how the perception of Mormons inheriting their own planets became widespread, Givens said.

The series of postings, as well as the church’s opening of its archive, shows a natural progression for a religion that is younger than other major worldwide faiths, Givens said. The church was founded in 1830 and took more than a century to hit 1 million members. Today, there are 15 million Mormons worldwide.

“Many of these things can be unsettling to members who have grown up with a typically manicured narrative, but it’s a necessary part of the maturation for the church membership,” Givens said.

The intent of the articles is to give Mormons and non-Mormons definitive places to go to study or learn about doctrinal issues. That could happen eventually but church leaders need to make people aware of them, said Armand Mauss, a retired professor of sociology and religious studies at Washington State University.

And he said the article won’t put an end to misconceptions held by some about Mormons.

“For devout members of other Christian denominations, especially those of the Evangelical variety, this statement will confirm their existing claims of outrageous Mormon heresies where doctrines of deity are concerned,” Mauss said.

 

What do you think about it?

[thesometimesaint]

That goring the sacred cow of a different religion is fun until it is their sacred cow that gets gored.

[Stroopwafel]

What I think is that it's unfortunate that people are still confused and don't realize that Kolob isn't actually a planet. It's a star! Get your facts straight for once! IMHO.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Stroopwafel

[ALarson]

Here's what it states on wiki (so it must be true, right?):

 

Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work that is traditionally held by adherents of the Mormon faith as having been translated from an Egyptian papyrus scroll by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star",^[1] it also refers to planets as stars,^[2] and therefore, some LDS commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.^[3] 

 

 

And...

 

Therefore, there is no consensus on whether Smith knew Kolob to be a planet or a star as those terms are used in modern astronomy.

Writers in the Latter Day Saint movement have taken positions on both sides of the issue of whether Kolob is a star or a planet. Brigham Young, second President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, spoke of Kolob as a planet.^[21] Likewise, LDS Apostles John Taylor,^[22] Orson Pratt (a mathematician with an interest in astronomy),^[23] Orson F. Whitney,^[24] and Alvin R. Dyer^[25] referred to Kolob as a planet. Other LDS theologians have also viewed Kolob as a planet.^[26] Several other LDS writers have referred to Kolob as a star, including B. H. Roberts^[27] and President David O. McKay.^[28]

 

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Becoming "like God" means that we will a perfect being as he is...there is a reason why the KFD, is not nor ever will be canonized. All we are promised is becoming, "joint heirs with Christ". Now if that means what others have implied so be it. But wild speculation serves no good purpose.

[cinepro]

Awesome article.  Any article that can go from an official Church announcement to Battlestar Galactica is good in my book.

[The Nehor]

Awesome article.  Any article that can go from an official Church announcement to Battlestar Galactica is good in my book.

 

Seconded.

 

I love the idea of Kolob. It keeps Mormonism weird enough to scare off many of the ultra-serious.

[Five Solas]

Seconded.

 

I love the idea of Kolob. It keeps Mormonism weird enough to scare off many of the ultra-serious.

Help us out, Nehor--who are these "ultra-serious" steering clear of the "weird"-ness of Mormonism?  And would you have them commended or condemned?  

;0)

 

--Erik

[The Nehor]

Help us out, Nehor--who are these "ultra-serious" steering clear of the "weird"-ness of Mormonism?  And would you have them commended or condemned?  

;0)

 

--Erik

People who try to ignore or downplay things like Kolob, the return of the Ten Tribes over the sea, the doctrine of becoming a sovereign/deity, the temple to come in Missouri, the Second Witness, literal Book of Mormon people, etc.

I do not believe they need commendation or condemnation,