Bill “Papa” Lee Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 I know a member who is having issues with being told to abandon their old faith. I know there is a prophet, or more than one, that said to converts, "bring that which is good from your old faith and we will help you to build on it". It think it was president Hinckley, October 2002, at General Conference. Have their been others who have alluded to the same idea?I brought the passion from my Church, how to "speak to the back of the room" so all can hear. Delivered a few Sermons and used not the doctrine, but the ability to be heard.This was a great way to gain confidence...which later became the work I do (teaching). Many times when I speak in sacrament, I just push the the mike away and speaking so all can hear. It is hard for me to stand perfectly still and speak the way my father and other preach...walking back an forth.
EllenMaksoud Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 I brought the passion from my Church, how to "speak to the back of the room" so all can hear. Delivered a few Sermons and used not the doctrine, but the ability to be heard.This was a great way to gain confidence...which later became the work I do (teaching). Many times when I speak in sacrament, I just push the the mike away and speaking so all can hear. It is hard for me to stand perfectly still and speak the way my father and other preach...walking back an forth. I actually started this thread for the benefit of another believer who I have encouraged to read it, or not. Well, I think any convert should believe in God, one God, not three. We should believe in Jesus the Christ, and his purpose here on Earth. We should believe in the Atonement. To be a Mormon, one should accept that the church has a living prophet, and that Joseph Smith was one and that the Book of Mormon is true. The Document and Covenants was written on the authority of the Prophet, and is not sealed. We should believe in the Articles of Faith and obey D&C 89. From my old faith I brought modesty, and a devout spirit. For me just keeping your garments covered is not nearly modest enough. I struggle with God being only flesh and bone because I think he can be what ever he wants to be. Remember, he makes the rules not us. I have seen nothing equivalent to Surah 4:34 in Mormonism, so I do not have to yield to men on this. I would say that this is a minimum for Mormons.
cinepro Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) I know a member who is having issues with being told to abandon their old faith. I know there is a prophet, or more than one, that said to converts, "bring that which is good from your old faith and we will help you to build on it". It think it was president Hinckley, October 2002, at General Conference. Have their been others who have alluded to the same idea? As far as I know, all religions allow new converts (and existing members) to keep hold of the things that are congruent with the religion's tenets, and only ask them to abandon (or reframe) those things which are incongruent with the religion's tenets. The LDS Church included. Edited January 31, 2014 by cinepro
The Nehor Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 So, pray tell, what is the LDS church policy on Eunuchs? Is there a section in the D&C? D&C 153 covers it. 1
EllenMaksoud Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 D&C 153 covers it.LOL, I fell for it, actually went and looked it up.
BCSpace Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 "Syncretism". I just love it when people force me to the dictionary. When I was quite young, the books I read often had a dictionary open beside them. Ha! We all might be a little guilty of 'syncretism'. I always try to make sure my attempts at reconciliation between doctrines, sciences, and philosophies are homogenous enough to avoid it.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Than it aint gonna happen.Acts 19 refers to disciples who were baptized anx followed the way of John the Baptist. They needed to ne baptised again in the name of Jesus Christ.I was baptised in the name of Jesus Christ to begin with. So Paul would never had instructed me to do it again.In the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost...and by someone in authority to do so. In addition to this the Chapter you listed, they were given the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. Outside our Church I know of none who finish the process, and never advance beyond baptism.
EllenMaksoud Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 Ha! We all might be a little guilty of 'syncretism'. I always try to make sure my attempts at reconciliation between doctrines, sciences, and philosophies are homogenous enough to avoid it.I don't know the meaning well enough yet to actually be able to use it in a sentence.
EllenMaksoud Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 How do you know. You dont live with me to know whether I have the gift of the Holy Spirit ( which I do) and the Holy Spirits constant companionshipI will say this with absolute certainty. You can trust this. I hated my stepfather and those who perpetrated unspeakable things toward me with veangeance. AND, I knew from the Lord's prayer, "Lord forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors", that if I could not forgive them then I would not be forgiven. I wept and wept over this and my failure. I was baptized on January 30, 2012, and sensed nothing at all. About two weeks later, I woke up one morning and realized that I no longer hated those plonkers. That was a miracle full stop. I have valued that healing ever since and will forever more. For me that is the difference between the Mormon Baptisim and the Baptisim of everyone else. 1
PtolemyGlenn Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 I will say this with absolute certainty. You can trust this. I hated my stepfather and those who perpetrated unspeakable things toward me with veangeance. AND, I knew from the Lord's prayer, "Lord forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors", that if I could not forgive them then I would not be forgiven. I wept and wept over this and my failure. I was baptized on January 30, 2012, and sensed nothing at all. About two weeks later, I woke up one morning and realized that I no longer hated those plonkers. That was a miracle full stop. I have valued that healing ever since and will forever more. For me that is the difference between the Mormon Baptisim and the Baptisim of everyone else.Thank you for this post.
Coreyb Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Got baptized when I was 8 years old. Never felt the Holy Spirit until I was 18. I had neither the Power nor the Gift of the Spirit even though I had been commanded to receive it during the laying on of hands immediately following my baptism. I just never received Him into my heart I guess. Of course the Spirit fell upon you PtGl, you received Christ by faith and repentance, and were willing to witness it by entering the waters of Baptism. All we Mormons can say is we believe the proper/full understanding of Baptism (terms of the covenant) and the authority to administer the ordinances (or tokens) of that covenant ( baptism by water and the laying on of hands) have been restored, and are available to you. With the Full understanding and proper authority, the full blessings of the covenant will be available to you as you are willing to receive them, including The Gift of the Holy Ghost. That is a Mormon term (different than but including the Gifts of the Spirit, such as Tongues, prophecy, healing etc.) meaning that God promises His Spirit to be with you always, until/unless you drive Him away. That is what we mean when we say "bring all the good that you have and see if we cannot add to it." Its an invitation to exercise your faith in Jesus Christ by experimenting upon the word.
PtolemyGlenn Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Thank you for the explanation Corey.I have already received hlthe gifts of the Spirit through my previous baptism.
Yirgacheffe Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 In the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost...and by someone in authority to do so. In addition to this the Chapter you listed, they were given the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. Outside our Church I know of none who finish the process, and never advance beyond baptism.I'm pretty sure Catholic and Orthodox have something similar, maybe Lutherans too?
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