EllenMaksoud Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 I know a member who is having issues with being told to abandon their old faith. I know there is a prophet, or more than one, that said to converts, "bring that which is good from your old faith and we will help you to build on it". It think it was president Hinckley, October 2002, at General Conference. Have their been others who have alluded to the same idea?
Buzzard Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Heartily agree with Pres. Hinckley, though if a new convert has a shrine to Mary in the front room with candles, or still listens eagerly to his or her favorite "saved by grace alone" televangelist, a little gentle instruction would seem to be in order. 1
EllenMaksoud Posted January 30, 2014 Author Posted January 30, 2014 Many prophets, beginning with Joseph Smith, have made this appeal. But this shouldn't be understood as an invitation to syncretism. There is an expectation that converts will abandon any traditions/teachings/cultural practices that are not in harmony with the teachings of the Church and its "gospel culture" (see, e.g., Dallin H. Oaks's talk, "Repentance and Change")."Syncretism". I just love it when people force me to the dictionary. When I was quite young, the books I read often had a dictionary open beside them. Well, I probably tread the edge, sorry. My mind is polluted with Evangelical and Muslim thought, so it is a bit muddled for me. There are ideas which I have kept, and others like the stoning of adulterous women which I have abandoned. And since the roof of my house has no railing around it, I am in deep trouble.
PtolemyGlenn Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Would it be fair to say before one is even baptised they will be asked if they still follow traditions of their preeviois faith?
Calm Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Would it be fair to say before one is even baptised they will be asked if they still follow traditions of their preeviois faith? http://www.lds.org/manual/preach-my-gospel-a-guide-to-missionary-service/how-do-i-prepare-people-for-baptism-and-confirmation?lang=eng
PtolemyGlenn Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 http://www.lds.org/manual/preach-my-gospel-a-guide-to-missionary-service/how-do-i-prepare-people-for-baptism-and-confirmation?lang=engLol thanks for that. Ifs gonna be a looooonnng time.
PtolemyGlenn Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) In an Ensign article several years ago a BYU professor and former Presbyterian minister described his and his family's experience in converting to Mormonism and explained how he viewed his former faith and the experiences he had there. Instead of the expected "I once was blind / but now I see" narrative, he described a continuity between his past experience as a Presbyterian and his current experience as a Mormon that I found quite interesting.He wrote:To be members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we did not have to give up or deny the experiences we had already had with the Lord, nor did we need to give up the truths about God that were already a part of our lives. Instead, we were simply asked to build on those truths and experiences.We had been clearly shown a continuity between the Holy Ghost we knew as Presbyterians and the Holy Ghost we experienced as Latter-day Saints. Thus, we have never questioned whether we walked with God in our previous vocation of ministry or whether the Lord had led us to that ministry on our path to the fulness of the gospel. We had been shown clearly that there was definitely more to the Christian faith than we had previously known. (Roger R. Keller, "Do I Know My Neighbor?")I will say one thing the minister said was he and his family did not have to give up or deny the experiences they had.Yet in regards to me already being baptised. I was told I had to re do baptism as the way it was done to me was not correct. And that the Holy Spirit did not come upon me.So by being baptized in the LDS cburch it would be as if I was denying the Holy Spirit coming upon me.And in doing so I would thus commit the unpardonable sin. Edited January 30, 2014 by PtolemyGlenn
EllenMaksoud Posted January 30, 2014 Author Posted January 30, 2014 Heartily agree with Pres. Hinckley, though if a new convert has a shrine to Mary in the front room with candles, or still listens eagerly to his or her favorite "saved by grace alone" televangelist, a little gentle instruction would seem to be in order. So, you are saying that I must abandon my Scimitar for the slaying of infidels? It is great for weeding !
The Nehor Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 I will say one thing the minister said was he and his family did not have to give up or deny the experiences they had.Yet in regards to me already being baptised. I was told I had to re do baptism as the way it was done to me was not correct. And that the Holy Spirit did not come upon me.So by being baptized in the LDS cburch it would be as if I was denying the Holy Spirit coming upon me.And in doing so I would thus commit the unpardonable sin. The gift of the Holy Ghost received after baptism does NOT restrict the Holy Ghost from influencing you before. It conveys the right to have it constantly with you. You do not have to deny that you had spiritual experiences before your baptism. In fact we encourage people to have such experiences. And yes, baptism has to be down with authority. 2
EllenMaksoud Posted January 30, 2014 Author Posted January 30, 2014 I will say one thing the minister said was he and his family did not have to give up or deny the experiences they had.Yet in regards to me already being baptised. I was told I had to re do baptism as the way it was done to me was not correct. And that the Holy Spirit did not come upon me.So by being baptized in the LDS cburch it would be as if I was denying the Holy Spirit coming upon me.And in doing so I would thus commit the unpardonable sin.Yes, I just had to choke down my pride on that one. I believe I told you that my LDS Baptism was number 5? OK, I just have to say that there is some kind of Mojo that the Holy Spirit brings to the church that I have not experienced before. Just saying.
PtolemyGlenn Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 The gift of the Holy Ghost received after baptism does NOT restrict the Holy Ghost from influencing you before. It conveys the right to have it constantly with you. You do not have to deny that you had spiritual experiences before your baptism. In fact we encourage people to have such experiences. And yes, baptism has to be down with authority..I have been baptised and have tge gifts of the Holy Spirit already.Why was the Ethopian conversion done on a small time frame as apposed to the lengthy classes and interviews the LDS church mandates.
The Nehor Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 .Why was the Ethopian conversion done on a small time frame as apposed to the lengthy classes and interviews the LDS church mandates.Eunuchs are allowed to skip all that.
PtolemyGlenn Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Yes, I just had to choke down my pride on that one. I believe I told you that my LDS Baptism was number 5? OK, I just have to say that there is some kind of Mojo that the Holy Spirit brings to the church that I have not experienced before. Just saying.This has me concerned. Like you I have had multiple baptisms. But never once did the new church say the others were invalid becaise of some aithority issie.It actually has me way concerned. As I know what I felt. I know I received the Holy Spirit and received the gifts fom the Holy Spirit. For me to say no you guys are right. I did not have the proper aitboroty. Makes me feel like a liar and concerned I would be commiting the unpardonable sin.
PtolemyGlenn Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Eunuchs are allowed to skip all that.Well give me a rock and I will crush my ya yas than.
mfbukowski Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 I know a member who is having issues with being told to abandon their old faith. I know there is a prophet, or more than one, that said to converts, "bring that which is good from your old faith and we will help you to build on it". It think it was president Hinckley, October 2002, at General Conference. Have their been others who have alluded to the same idea?You have to follow what God tells you. That's ALL we have to go by in this life, and if anyone tells you anything else they are wrong. Period. No one here would be here in the first place if the spirit did not tell them it was right. What is a right path for one is not necessarily the best path for someone else. God teaches each of us in the way we need to learn. 1
Duncan Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 This has me concerned. Like you I have had multiple baptisms. But never once did the new church say the others were invalid becaise of some aithority issie.It actually has me way concerned. As I know what I felt. I know I received the Holy Spirit and received the gifts fom the Holy Spirit. For me to say no you guys are right. I did not have the proper aitboroty. Makes me feel like a liar and concerned I would be commiting the unpardonable sin. you could be baptized a 1000 times but without the proper authority it won't matter, read Acts 19. God appreciates you believing in him and living on what light you have and wants you, me and everyone to have more light 2
PtolemyGlenn Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) you could be baptized a 1000 times but without the proper authority it won't matter, read Acts 19. God appreciates you believing in him and living on what light you have and wants you, me and everyone to have more lightThan it aint gonna happen.Acts 19 refers to disciples who were baptized anx followed the way of John the Baptist. They needed to ne baptised again in the name of Jesus Christ.I was baptised in the name of Jesus Christ to begin with. So Paul would never had instructed me to do it again. Edited January 30, 2014 by PtolemyGlenn
Duncan Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) Than it aint gonna happen. gobsmacking Edited January 30, 2014 by Duncan
EllenMaksoud Posted January 30, 2014 Author Posted January 30, 2014 You have to follow what God tells you. That's ALL we have to go by in this life, and if anyone tells you anything else they are wrong. Period. No one here would be here in the first place if the spirit did not tell them it was right. What is a right path for one is not necessarily the best path for someone else. God teaches each of us in the way we need to learn.Thank you.
changed Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) This has me concerned. Like you I have had multiple baptisms. But never once did the new church say the others were invalid becaise of some aithority issie.It actually has me way concerned. As I know what I felt. I know I received the Holy Spirit and received the gifts fom the Holy Spirit. For me to say no you guys are right. I did not have the proper aitboroty. Makes me feel like a liar and concerned I would be commiting the unpardonable sin.Here you go - http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/holy-ghost?lang=eng The Holy Ghost is manifested to men on the earth both as the power of the Holy Ghost and as the gift of the Holy Ghost. The power can come upon one before baptism and is the convincing witness that the gospel is true. By the power of the Holy Ghost a person receives a testimony of Jesus Christ and of His work and the work of His servants upon the earth. The gift can come only after proper and authorized baptism and is conferred by the laying on of hands, as in Acts 8:12–25 and Moro. 2.The "power" of the Holy Ghost, and the "gift" of the Holy Ghost are two very different things. You have experienced the "power", but without authority, do not have the "gift", or the constant companionship. Asking for the gift, is in no way denying the power - so you're safe! no unpardonable sins there! Edited January 30, 2014 by changed
PtolemyGlenn Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Here you go - http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/holy-ghost?lang=eng The "power" of the Holy Ghost, and the "gift" of the Holy Ghost are two very different things. You have experienced the "power", but without authority, do not have the "gift", or the constant companionship. Asking for the gift, is in no way denying the power - so you're safe! no unpardonable sins there!How do you know. You dont live with me to know whether I have the gift of the Holy Spirit ( which I do) and the Holy Spirits constant companionship
EllenMaksoud Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 Eunuchs are allowed to skip all that.So, pray tell, what is the LDS church policy on Eunuchs? Is there a section in the D&C?
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