EllenMaksoud Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 I have not heard the issue discussed much but I was once riding in a car when we passed a Masonic Temple and it was clear to me that he admired Masons. However, he would not explain why. So is this some great secret?
Tsuzuki Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 They believe in tolerance of others and the universal brotherhood of all humanity. How can you not admire that?
EllenMaksoud Posted November 20, 2013 Author Posted November 20, 2013 They believe in tolerance of others and the universal brotherhood of all humanity. How can you not admire that?Then why do some try to make it a dirty little secret?
Tsuzuki Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 Then why do some try to make it a dirty little secret?Because they believed in freedom of religion before it was popular.
EllenMaksoud Posted November 20, 2013 Author Posted November 20, 2013 Because they believed in freedom of religion before it was popular.I was hoping for an explanation but you had to go all Zen on me.
Tsuzuki Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 I was hoping for an explanation but you had to go all Zen on me. Freemasonry started when theocracy was the norm, whether the larger Catholic Church or local protestant theocracies, and it directly challenged those theocracies. This made them a lot of enemies, and they had to operate in secret.
EllenMaksoud Posted November 20, 2013 Author Posted November 20, 2013 Freemasonry started when theocracy was the norm, whether the larger Catholic Church or local protestant theocracies, and it directly challenged those theocracies. This made them a lot of enemies, and they had to operate in secret.So their self importantnesses felt a bit threatened did they?
Tsuzuki Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) So their self importantnesses felt a bit threatened did they?The various religious governments? You bet. Freemasonry won, though, and we're living in what they envisioned for the future. Edited November 20, 2013 by Tsuzuki
AndyDnom Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 are you talking about Joseph Smith? or someone who lives today? Read up about the Morgan affair, and you can learn the history of how being a mason went from being a pre requisite to public office, to something that needed to be hidden. George Washington wore his masonic apron in public ceremonies, can you imagine that from a president today?
thesometimesaint Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 are you talking about Joseph Smith? or someone who lives today? Read up about the Morgan affair, and you can learn the history of how being a mason went from being a pre requisite to public office, to something that needed to be hidden. George Washington wore his masonic apron in public ceremonies, can you imagine that from a president today? The relative importance of joining clubs, and fraternal organizations has diminished significantly over the last couple of decades. So it is possible for groups like the Masons to be more publicly visible at some time in the future.
Ahab Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 I have not heard the issue discussed much but I was once riding in a car when we passed a Masonic Temple and it was clear to me that he admired Masons. However, he would not explain why. So is this some great secret?They value the acquisition of knowledge, even when other people disagree or are opposed to what they claim to know... kinda like how we Mormons feel about what we know God has revealed to us. We may not agree on every particular, but we both highly value the acquisition of true knowledge. Most Christians in general these days believe that all they need to believe in is Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible. They may go to college so they can get a better job but generally they don't value gaining knowledge as something that will bring them closer to becoming more like our Father.
cinepro Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 I have not heard the issue discussed much but I was once riding in a car when we passed a Masonic Temple and it was clear to me that he admired Masons. However, he would not explain why. So is this some great secret? It's my understanding that for quite some time in the 19th century and early 20th century, the Masons were the defacto anti-mormons in Utah. So there is a strong tradition among some Utah-descended LDS to eschew the masons. This wikipedia article says that the Utah Lodge of the Masons wouldn't allow LDS to join until 1984. So apparently the feeling was mutual.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 George Washington wore his masonic apron in public ceremonies, can you imagine that from a president today?Nope I couldn't. My how we have slipped as a nation.
Tacenda Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 I'm not too smart, but keep thinking that maybe thinking we will rise to be Gods is possibly not kosher. Or is somewhat wrong to believe. Could Masonry also go on the ladder rung to the top or become a God, and this is the thing people are against?
Damien the Leper Posted November 22, 2013 Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) We shouldn't. Masonry is irrelevant in every possible religious sense. Politically...meh. Edited November 22, 2013 by Valentinus
Stone holm Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 It's my understanding that for quite some time in the 19th century and early 20th century, the Masons were the defacto anti-mormons in Utah. So there is a strong tradition among some Utah-descended LDS to eschew the masons. This wikipedia article says that the Utah Lodge of the Masons wouldn't allow LDS to join until 1984. So apparently the feeling was mutual.After the rift which occurred in Nauvoo, the Grand Lodge in Utah broke Masonic law and forbade Mormons from being Masons. As I understand it, that was corrected after they refused to let one of the leaders of the RLDS Church who was a Mason attend a lodge meeting and he complained to the National. There is no prohibition either way now anywhere.
Stone holm Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 We shouldn't. Masonry is irrelevant in every possible religious sense. Politically...meh.Am I correct in assuming you are Catholic?
Stone holm Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Valentinus simply is.Well normally only conservative Catholics or fundamentalists go off on Masons like that. Mormons surely shouldn't since people rom time to time call us a secret organization because of our protection of sacred things.
Damien the Leper Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Am I correct in assuming you are Catholic? I identify as Orthodox. I'm very fond of Roman and Eastern Orthodox theology. I currently attend Holy Trinity Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Phoenix.
Damien the Leper Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Valentinus simply is. Smart a##. You made me laugh. 1
Stone holm Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 I identify as Orthodox. I'm very fond of Roman and Eastern Orthodox theology. I currently attend Holy Trinity Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Phoenix. Okay, so you have issues with Masonry. Some Christians would claim the cult of Mary has nothing to do with religion -- because they have problems with Catholicism -- that does not make their assertion true just because it was so asserted. 1
Damien the Leper Posted November 27, 2013 Posted November 27, 2013 Okay, so you have issues with Masonry. Some Christians would claim the cult of Mary has nothing to do with religion -- because they have problems with Catholicism -- that does not make their assertion true just because it was so asserted. But Masonry has nothing to do with Christianity. There's a difference.
volgadon Posted November 27, 2013 Posted November 27, 2013 But Masonry has nothing to do with Christianity. There's a difference.A little exaggerated, honestly.
Tacenda Posted November 27, 2013 Posted November 27, 2013 A little exaggerated, honestly.In what way? What are the Christlike things in masonry? I guess the club is pro service in the community. But how else?
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