canard78 Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I was going to say, "No," but the question got me thinking--a scary proposition. It occurs to me that I don't care whether I'm exalted or not. What matters to me is being a good husband and father, serving people the best I can, and hopefully leaving the world slightly better because I was here.Someone pointed me to this yesterday: No, I'm not an atheist, but this made sense to me: I don't want to regret wasting the "normal" time in my life on stuff that doesn't matter (like message boards? ). Thanks - I enjoyed that video. I don't follow Sam Harris to his ultimate conclusion but I do agree with the message in this video.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Wouldn't everyone choose exaltation? I mean who wouldn't?No. Not every one will choose it. Some people just wont want to be there for one reason or another.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Some day I will retire. If I will be exalted depends on if I'm really forgiven for all of my serious sins.Not just serious sins but all of your sins need to be forgiven of.
mfbukowski Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 If you think you will be, you probably won't be.
mfbukowski Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 No, I'm not an atheist, but this made sense to me: I don't want to regret wasting the "normal" time in my life on stuff that doesn't matter (like message boards? ).That video was about 5 minutes too long. It was all said in the title.
jkwilliams Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 That video was about 5 minutes too long. It was all said in the title. Oh, well. I liked it. It was a good reminder to me that you can waste a lot of time thinking about what is to come when you could be doing something good now.
thesometimesaint Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Oh, well. I liked it. It was a good reminder to me that you can waste a lot of time thinking about what is to come when you could be doing something good now. I liked it too. Live in the now. Let your past inform, but not dictate what you do now. Keep hold of your dreams of what you can, and will become.
VideoGameJunkie Posted October 29, 2013 Author Posted October 29, 2013 If you think you will be, you probably won't be.What do you mean?
jkwilliams Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I liked it too. Live in the now. Let your past inform, but not dictate what you do now. Keep hold of your dreams of what you can, and will become. Maybe mfbukowski instinctively dislikes things I like.
VideoGameJunkie Posted October 29, 2013 Author Posted October 29, 2013 What are some sins that would prevent you from exaltation? Even if you've repented. I had a past of sexual sins after being endowed in the temple, but I've confessed to the Bishop and gone through the repentance process, so I hope those don't count as the unpardonable sins that I've heard about. I'm not sure what the unpardonable sins are.
jkwilliams Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 What are some sins that would prevent you from exaltation? Even if you've repented. I had a past of sexual sins after being endowed in the temple, but I've confessed to the Bishop and gone through the repentance process, so I hope those don't count as the unpardonable sins that I've heard about. I'm not sure what the unpardonable sins are. The Atonement cleanses you from all sin, so your past is irrelevant as long as you repent. Taking off my Mormon hat now.
thesometimesaint Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 What are some sins that would prevent you from exaltation? Even if you've repented. I had a past of sexual sins after being endowed in the temple, but I've confessed to the Bishop and gone through the repentance process, so I hope those don't count as the unpardonable sins that I've heard about. I'm not sure what the unpardonable sins are. There is only one sin for which there is no forgiveness in this world or the world to come. That one is the unwillingness to repent.
VideoGameJunkie Posted October 29, 2013 Author Posted October 29, 2013 There is only one sin for which there is no forgiveness in this world or the world to come. That one is the unwillingness to repent.Thank you for letting me know which it is. I love repenting.
VideoGameJunkie Posted October 29, 2013 Author Posted October 29, 2013 The Atonement cleanses you from all sin, so your past is irrelevant as long as you repent. Taking off my Mormon hat now.Thank you!
mfbukowski Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Oh, well. I liked it. It was a good reminder to me that you can waste a lot of time thinking about what is to come when you could be doing something good now.I guess I have a tendency to think that people have read what I have read, but I am learning I am usually wrong. Be Here Now (book)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, searchBe Here Now Author Ram Dass Subject Spirituality, Yoga Publisher Lama Foundation,San Cristobal, New Mexico Publication date 1971 ISBN 978-0-517-54305-4 OCLC Number 141386598Be Here Now (or Remember, Be Here Now) is a seminal[1][2] 1971 book on spirituality, yoga and meditation by the Western-born yogi and spiritual teacher Ram Dass. The title comes from a statement his guide, Bhagavan Das, made during Ram Dass's journeys in India. The cover features a mandala incorporating the title, a chair, radial lines, and the word "remember".It just seemed like a take-off on good old Baba Ram Dass. AAAAAAAUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM Be Here Now is one of the first guides for those not born as Hindus to becoming a yogi, by a person himself not born a Hindu. For its influence on the Hippie movement and subsequent spiritual movements,[6] it has been described as a "countercultural bible".[7] In addition to introducing its title phrase into common use, the book has influenced numerous other writers and yoga practitioners, including Steve Jobs,[8]Wayne Dyer,[9] and Michael Crichton.[10]The first section of the book inspired the lyrics to George Harrison's song "Be Here Now", written in 1971 but released on his 1973 album Living in the Material World.[11] The book was referred to in a study on daydreaming by Matthew Killingsworth, a doctoral candidate in psychology at Harvard University, which suggested that "[people] thinking about something other than what they’re doing [...] doesn’t take them to a happy place".[12]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_Here_Now_%28book%29 Ah yes, the good old days! Edited October 29, 2013 by mfbukowski
mfbukowski Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 What do you mean?I was just saying that being exalted requires humility and thinking you are worthy to be exalted requires pride. On the other hand, no one can never be worthy of exaltation on their own- the atonement makes up the difference, so maybe it depends on how you look at it.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 What are some sins that would prevent you from exaltation? Even if you've repented. I had a past of sexual sins after being endowed in the temple, but I've confessed to the Bishop and gone through the repentance process, so I hope those don't count as the unpardonable sins that I've heard about. I'm not sure what the unpardonable sins are.Then you are good. What are you worring about then?
jkwilliams Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I was just saying that being exalted requires humility and thinking you are worthy to be exalted requires pride. On the other hand, no one can never be worthy of exaltation on their own- the atonement makes up the difference, so maybe it depends on how you look at it. Believing you have been forgiven does not necessarily involve pride, does it?
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I was just saying that being exalted requires humility and thinking you are worthy to be exalted requires pride. On the other hand, no one can never be worthy of exaltation on their own- the atonement makes up the difference, so maybe it depends on how you look at it.Correct. All need it. It almost feels like we could get an EV in here. All have sinned and fall short.We are saved by faith not of works.We need works to make faith alive.We must endure to the end to be saved.
VideoGameJunkie Posted October 29, 2013 Author Posted October 29, 2013 Then you are good. What are you worring about then?I just worry a lot because I feel such sorrow about my past and always worry about my current standing in the plan of salvation. It's always been a worry of mine.
jkwilliams Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I just worry a lot because I feel such sorrow about my past and always worry about my current standing in the plan of salvation. It's always been a worry of mine. Don't make it about you. God's capacity to forgive is infinite.
VideoGameJunkie Posted October 29, 2013 Author Posted October 29, 2013 Don't make it about you. God's capacity to forgive is infinite.Thanks! That helps a lot.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I just worry a lot because I feel such sorrow about my past and always worry about my current standing in the plan of salvation. It's always been a worry of mine.You know what they say about worrying? Most things you worry about you can't change anyway. So you should not worry about them. I mean if you are going to church and trying to improve your life and repenting then you are good. If you are not then fix it. You probably should stop worrying too unless you have something left to repent of. If not then you need to forgive your self and move on.
mfbukowski Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Believing you have been forgiven does not necessarily involve pride, does it?Of course that was not the question. Distinctions, John, distinctions! Was the question "Do you think you will forgiven"? No. EV's believe they have been forgiven , but they don't even believe in exaltation. It's not for a minute that I don't like you, it's just that your comments do not seem to me to be on point much of the time. I say abc and you say "well what about rmn? I suppose I really should not comment on your posts because we end up.... well, wasting time.
jkwilliams Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 If not then you need to forgive your self and move on. I've always found it much easier to forgive others than to forgive myself.
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