JLHPROF Posted October 7, 2013 Posted October 7, 2013 I was of two minds about posting this article I stumbled across while googling the sacrament - I am not sure a discussion on mormon fundamentalism and the doctrines is necessarily appropriate for this board, but I think that people here would find this list of beliefs as interesting as I did simply as a curiousity. I guess it's not all about polygamy.If it is not an appropriate topic the Mod's can delete the thread. http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/05/11/some-subtle-differences-between-fundamentalist-and-mainstream-mormonism/ They seal men and women to their priesthood leaders under the “law of adoption”.They believe they are “the priesthood” and presided over by a council of seven “high priest apostles” that hold higher priesthood keys than members of the Q12.70′s have higher authority than High Priests.They ordain some to be “70 Apostles” as members of the 70′s quorum.The officiator raises his right arm to the square to bless the sacrament and the other officiators kneel (but not the congregation).Only priests and elders administer the sacrament – which includes preparing & passing.They use multiple 8oz. glasses for the sacramental water so that the cups are shared and the cup is passed to each member individually without “passing it down the line”.Talks are many times given during the passing of the sacrament.They lead a person into the waters of baptism by the right hand.The long one-piece garment is worn at all times.Officiators in Melchizedek Priesthood ordinances raise both arms to the square.Persons who are called to positions (like Sunday School Teacher) or ordained to priesthood offices are not presented to the congregation for a “sustaining vote”.They do not have a “Fast Sunday”, their day of week to fast is Thursday.A member can receive a re-baptism for things such as health & re-commitment.A baptism and confirmation into “the Kingdom of God” is given to select members in preparation for the 2nd endowment.Women will give a “mothers blessing” as an ordinance prior to childbirth.Members are called out of the congregation to give “sacrament talks” without any preparation.Joseph Smith is seen as the Holy Ghost and revered as much as Jesus ChristJesus Christ is not recognized as Jehovah or “The Creator”.Missionary work is left up to the Church, so they have no full time missionaries.Temple ordinances are like the pre-1930′s version and explanatory lectures are given during the Endowment. 1
jkwilliams Posted October 7, 2013 Posted October 7, 2013 Sounds a lot like the LDS church in the 1850s and 1860s. From what I've seen, most fundamentalist Mormon groups take some point in time at which they believe the LDS church strayed from the truth, so the church they found looks a lot like the LDS church did at the moment it "apostatized." The real problem, of course, is that they can't handle continuing revelation. Or maybe it's just that they are stuck in the blue phase. 1
JLHPROF Posted October 7, 2013 Author Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Sounds a lot like the LDS church in the 1850s and 1860s. From what I've seen, most fundamentalist Mormon groups take some point in time at which they believe the LDS church strayed from the truth, so the church they found looks a lot like the LDS church did at the moment it "apostatized." The real problem, of course, is that they can't handle continuing revelation. Or maybe it's just that they are stuck in the blue phase. Oh I realize that, I just find some of the points of doctrine fascinating and worthy of some discussion (not debate so much, but just thoughts) - seventy apostles, Rebaptism, JS as HG, Mothers Blessings - all interesting differences (if a little strange). Also, the sociological discussions don't interest me as much as discussions of doctrine, and some of these are pretty unique doctrines so I threw them out there. Edited October 7, 2013 by JLHPROF
canard78 Posted October 7, 2013 Posted October 7, 2013 Members are called out of the congregation to give “sacrament talks” without any preparation. Urgh... Listening to a really well prepared, well resourced and well delivered sacrament talk is among my church pleasures. 1
danieldemol Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 It is an interesting topic, because there is the church self entitled "FLDS", then there is the common meaning of the term "fundamentalist", which basically means a person who strictly adheres to the rules and doctrines of their faith without deviation.Thus it is possible to be a fundamentalist L.D.S without being a member of a different church such as the "F.L.D.S".I suppose you could say for example, that someone who doesn't want women priests is arguably an L.D.S fundamentalist even if they are a member of the L.D.S church.On the other hand, someone from the F.L.D.S church who believes in monogamy is technically a liberal adherent of F.L.D.S (according to my understanding) and thus not a "fundamentalist". 1
Robert F. Smith Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Oh I realize that, I just find some of the points of doctrine fascinating and worthy of some discussion (not debate so much, but just thoughts) - seventy apostles, Rebaptism, JS as HG, Mothers Blessings - all interesting differences (if a little strange). Also, the sociological discussions don't interest me as much as discussions of doctrine, and some of these are pretty unique doctrines so I threw them out there.Thank you very much. I collect Restoration Groups and their beliefs.
Robert F. Smith Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Members are called out of the congregation to give “sacrament talks” without any preparation. Urgh... Listening to a really well prepared, well resourced and well delivered sacrament talk is among my church pleasures. We had a stake president in southern California who liked to do that at Stake Conference, and it worked out rather well. I think that he made inspired selections.
mfbukowski Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Members are called out of the congregation to give “sacrament talks” without any preparation.Oh- so they have High Councilmen speaking ever Sunday then, right?
JLHPROF Posted October 8, 2013 Author Posted October 8, 2013 I think it's hilarious that with all the unique and interesting doctrines listed, we focus on how people are forced to speak in meeting
Stargazer Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Members are called out of the congregation to give “sacrament talks” without any preparation. Urgh... Listening to a really well prepared, well resourced and well delivered sacrament talk is among my church pleasures. A member of my stake presidency once told me after a sacrament meeting in which (for a reason I can't remember) he was conducting, that he had gotten an impression he should ask me to come up to speak extemp, but decided not to. Whereupon I told him that I had gotten the same impression and was marshalling a talk in my mind after the impression came. And that I was disappointed that he hadn't followed through. He seemed somewhat embarrassed at this. 1
JLHPROF Posted October 8, 2013 Author Posted October 8, 2013 A member of my stake presidency once told me after a sacrament meeting in which (for a reason I can't remember) he was conducting, that he had gotten an impression he should ask me to come up to speak extemp, but decided not to. Whereupon I told him that I had gotten the same impression and was marshalling a talk in my mind after the impression came. And that I was disappointed that he hadn't followed through. He seemed somewhat embarrassed at this.Well, it is scriptural that sermons should be unwritten and that meetings should be run by the spirit.D&C 84:85, Matt 10:19-20, Moroni 6:9, D&C 46:2 and others...
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