Daniel Peterson Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 I was referring to the self serving nature of what you stated FAIR's position is. You stated FAIR does not regard itself as having received funding from the Church. You are very likely repeating a claim made by FAIR. FAIR making a self promotional claim or anyone for that matter making a self promotional claim, is well, self serving. But the self serving nature of statements really isn't the point of this thread. I wasn't "repeating a claim made by FAIR." I was making a statement as someone who has been closely involved in FAIR for a very long time. I have no idea what you mean here by "self-promotional."
escott3564 Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 Just for the record: Over on the board where my Malevolent Stalker holds court, this topic once again has them all abuzz. And some of them feel quite justified because I myself brought it up out of the blue, for no reason. Since I raised the topic, I'm fair game. But, as you can see by looking at the language of the quote above (and at its accompanying time information and at the time for post #31 on this thread, from which it's excerpted), I was responding to my Malevolent Stalker. It was he who actually brought it up out of the clear blue sky, at 12:31 PM on Thursday (19 September) -- nearly thirty-six hours before I responded to it -- in a thread entitled "More Good is a More LDS ($-laundering) Foundation?" over at his board. Rather than being creeped out by his continuing efforts to delve into my personal finances and my employment compensation, my Stalker's disciples are praising him for having "fact-checked" a statement that I hadn't actually made until nearly a day and a half afterwards.Don't feel bad, Dan. You were not the only one attacked. Mak and I were slandered by Scratch for merely agreeing with you that his actions were creepy. Well, they are!For some reason, though, Scratch is continually allowed free rein over there to bully those he sees fit. It is sad and pathetic. 1
Daniel Peterson Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 (edited) My Malevolent Stalker has been at this sort of thing for years. Roughly seven or thereabouts, so far as I know. Very much aimed at me, but also often aimed at others. It's creepy, it focuses on persons rather than issues (I've sometimes thought of him as something of a Bizarro World People Magazine), and it's utterly malevolent. There's something going on with him. I don't know what it is, but it seems coldly, obsessively, vengeful. They seem to love him over there, though. And they can have him. I'm sometimes told "Don't respond, and he'll lose interest." Overwhelmingly, though, I haven't responded, and yet he keeps at it. Week after week, month after month, year after year. He even vowed once, several years back, that he would no longer start threads about me. But he can't stop. It's deeply, deeply strange. Not to mention -- again -- creepy. I mean, going through old tax records? Maintaining a network of "secret informants"? Combing through what he thought were my purchasing records on Amazon.com? Keeping files on me? It's beyond weird. Edited September 22, 2013 by Daniel Peterson
escott3564 Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 For what it's worth, at least Shades has done the right thing on that thread and removed the link to Dan's tax forms. 1
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 I saw this article and found it fascinating http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2013/09/more-good-is-more-lds-foundation.html It very specifically refutes a claim of the More Good Foundation that it is NOT funded with money from the church. Does anyone have any further insights into this?I doubt the More Good foundation is lying, and the Church would not support a debate website where those who oppose them are allowed post, (although forced to be polite by rules) questionable speculation. Especially those who criticize living Apostles. Quite a few who are gone, Bruce R a big target of epic choice. The other day while trying to defend a living one I was asked if I would feel this way about President Benson...so I assure you not funded by the Church.
Daniel Peterson Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 For what it's worth, at least Shades has done the right thing on that thread and removed the link to Dan's tax forms. Yes. Shades, in my personal experience of him, has always been reasonably fair, honorable, and even pleasant. Not so, alas, for a number of the others who inhabit his board. It's fascinating to see the activity that my Malevolent Stalker has managed to gin up. They're now trotting out all of their favorite examples of my alleged dishonesty. And they can justify this because, in their view, they're only responding to my unprovoked attack on the poor Stalker. After all, I replied to the first accusation of dishonesty against me (of his current campaign) less than thirty-six hours after he leveled it. And, in their world, I think that counts as a preemptive strike on my part. I don't think it's appropriate to discuss any private person's personal finances, salary, etc., on a public message board. Not mine, not anybody's. I think it's inappropriate for anybody even to request that. I also think it would be inappropriate for me to turn this thread, or this message board, into my personal platform for defending my personal off-board integrity. So, for the Stalkerboard poster who goes by "Steelhead": My character has been unjustly assaulted over there, and you have some specific questions about the charges that have been leveled against me. Feel free -- I know that you read this board -- to contact me via my email address, which is easily available on the BYU website, and I'll answer your questions to the best of my ability. 1
foster Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 I doubt the More Good foundation is lying, and the Church would not support a debate website where those who oppose them are allowed post, (although forced to be polite by rules) questionable speculation. Especially those who criticize living Apostles. Quite a few who are gone, Bruce R a big target of epic choice. The other day while trying to defend a living one I was asked if I would feel this way about President Benson...so I assure you not funded by the Church.One must strain very hard to try and connect the Church to mgf.
Daniel Peterson Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 One must strain very hard to try and connect the Church to mgf. Don't worry. There are those out there who're more than wiling to make whatever effort is needed.
Kenngo1969 Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 One must strain very hard to try and connect the Church to mgf.As I said . . . Strrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttttch! SNAP!
stemelbow Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 my Stalker's disciples are praising him for having "fact-checked" a statement that I hadn't actually made until nearly a day and a half afterwards. It is from their self-constructed ivory tower that they praise the notion of "truth". As many have learned and will continue to learn, their goal is anything but truth. They have enlisted themselves in a battle that they will not give up, I've learned. They care not about the means. Oddly enough, what they complain about is nothing more than projection. And it seems evident they sincerely can't see it. Its almost as if they all should be pitied more than anything. Its hard to pity folks who promote such hate, though. We really should though.
Kenngo1969 Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 I get it. We found the smoking gun implicating FAIR. In 2006, the MGF made a $2500 donation to FAIR. Then, three years later in 2009, LDS Foundation (which does not deal in tithing monies) made a donation to the MGF. Therefore, the LDS church is really funneling money to FAIR and secretly financing FAIR. The trail is....er...um...er...clear. <cough> Right.......Scott, please don't attempt to bore us, or to confuse us, with the actual facts. Rampant conspiracy theorizing is much more satisfying, and much more fun! 1
Mark Beesley Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 I just wanted to give a quick shout-out to Dando, the poster who originated the thread. It appears, by his absence from the thread, that he has taken seriously the advice to contact MGF directly for information rather than relying on secondhand information. If that is the case, then Kudos to Dando. (Kinda catchy, huh? )
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 One must strain very hard to try and connect the Church to mgf.Could you not be critic with with "mgf", I have no idea what that means.
foster Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 Mgf is " more good foundation" you can Google "more good foundation", to find out about them.
foster Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Removed. Edited September 24, 2013 by foster
escott3564 Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 It is from their self-constructed ivory tower that they praise the notion of "truth". As many have learned and will continue to learn, their goal is anything but truth. They have enlisted themselves in a battle that they will not give up, I've learned. They care not about the means. Oddly enough, what they complain about is nothing more than projection. And it seems evident they sincerely can't see it. Its almost as if they all should be pitied more than anything. Its hard to pity folks who promote such hate, though. We really should though.I don't pity any of them. Not one.Now, that thread has become an even more ridiculous mess than it was to begin with. It is like the Duracell battery. It keeps going and going and going...LOLI pity the dead horse they keep beating. Like I told Dan, at least now, both sides are available for the lurker to read and he/she can decide for him/herself. Those over there who hate Dan will continue to vacillate in the hate fest they've created over there.
foster Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) I don't pity any of them. Not one.Now, that thread has become an even more ridiculous mess than it was to begin with. It is like the Duracell battery. It keeps going and going and going...LOLI pity the dead horse they keep beating. Like I told Dan, at least now, both sides are available for the lurker to read and he/she can decide for him/herself. Those over there who hate Dan will continue to vacillate in the hate fest they've created over there.What is interesting is that the the same debate was had 6 or more years ago on that board. That is my understanding based on Daniel's explanation found in the old thread. One department leased Daniel's time for him to work on METI, that money was paid to Daniel's home department so to speak. Most important to the whole situation is that METI is not aplogetic work, thus the money was not for apologia. BTW, the offending tax forms are in the old thread. Edited September 25, 2013 by foster
Stargazer Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 Well I guess it would and this is a fairly new outlook I've had. The thing about this bribery for blessings and so forth is very interesting. What do you do about people who do good deeds and gain something from it? The man who leaps into a wild river and saves a child from drowning, for example. People come to him and try to praise his heroism, but he demurs, saying that he did the same thing that anyone else would have done. The parents of the child try to reward him for saving their child, but he will have none of it. The father shakes his hand, and the mother kisses him on the cheek, and off he goes about his business. But he doesn't go off unrewarded, oh no, he has received a great reward! He receives great satisfaction for having done a good deed! I don't know about you, but if I had managed to pull of something like that I would have felt so on top of the world that I would have been ecstatic! Is this selfish, to feel good for having done good? I pay my tithing, and guess what? I get a good feeling out of it! If I get no other blessing, I get that one. Am I paying it only to feel good? Yep, you bet I do. Because if I didn't pay it I would feel bad! But I would feel bad because I have been commanded to do it and I have covenanted to do it. What if the promise from God for obeying His commandments was a slap in the face from God? Would we be so anxious to do it? I think not. 1
stemelbow Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 I don't pity any of them. Not one.Now, that thread has become an even more ridiculous mess than it was to begin with. It is like the Duracell battery. It keeps going and going and going...LOLI pity the dead horse they keep beating. Like I told Dan, at least now, both sides are available for the lurker to read and he/she can decide for him/herself. Those over there who hate Dan will continue to vacillate in the hate fest they've created over there. I know you don't pity them. I just have a bigger heart than you, I guess. seriously though, the more I see what they're up to, and the more I think about how petty it all gets the more I pity them. It seems to me to be a miserable place they find themselves in. Pity is a weird thing, but we all pity others.
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